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April 22

Sending home kidnapped kids

Recently here in the US, there has been a story that hit the national news about a teenager from Tennessee being abducted by her teacher. She was found with the teacher in California. In cases such as this, who pays to get the kid home? And how do they travel? I imagine that for such a distance, she would go by plane but whose plane? And who foots the bill for that plane ride? For shorter transports, they'd likely just have an officer drive a social worker over in a state vehicle of some sort and pick them up. But TN to CA is 2/3 of a wide country! Thanks for any info, †dismas†|^(talk) 00:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I assume you are not American? Basically, this is a state matter, and the child will probably be taken custody by child services in the state where they are found. They will make a perfunctory judgment as to the soundness of the situation, and the child will be "extradited" back to the home state under the auspices of child services in the home state, then released to the parents. (Of course there are all sorts of possible permutations, including the parents taking direct custody and transporting the child at their own expense. Otherwise there are at least 50X49 possible scenarios. And there's really no way for us to tell you ahead of time how any single case will work out. There may be a federal law that covers this, but I have never heard of one.) Given the FBI handles most cross-state crimes, they will most likely handle the transfer, especially if they find the child, as they would be the one looking for the child across state lines. I see no way to predict this ahead of time, since it may be fought out in state and federal court. It's a nice hot mess. μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

"Recently here in the US, ..." . -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 05:16, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Jack. I also mention where I live on my user page. But it seems Medeis was leaving the research for Bugs.  :) --†dismas†|^(talk) 01:57, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, we do have a lot of editors from overseas who are not familiar with our federal system and its complexities when more than one state is involved, for which see the perennial questions about the electoral college. μηδείς (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

According to this,[1] "The teen was transported home on an aircraft owned by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. The agency sent the plane to northern California after Elizabeth was found on Thursday." That would suggest the state paid for it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:30, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

That's a nice succinct answer Bugs, with no speculation and refs. Richard Avery (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Baseball Bugs. Although it would be dangerous to extrapolate from just this one example, it makes sense that it would be the home state's "police" forces, i.e. state bureau of investigation or state police, that would bring the kidnapped child home. †dismas†|^(talk) 01:57, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Yet that does not follow. The purpose of the FBI is to handle crimes across state boundaries. And the child may contest being returned home, if they are at or near majority. You simply cannot assume there is a State Bureau of Investigation which in every case will return the waif. That is what happened in this case. But you've got 50 states times 49 plus the FBI who may have or fight over jurisdiction. Unless there's a uniform federal law, the broader question is entirely undecided. μηδείς (talk) 04:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The agencies might quarrel over which one should have custody of the perp, who's already locked up anyway. But I wouldn't think they would fight over who has "custody" of the victim. There could be a question of who absorbs the cost of transferring the victim, but that shouldn't delay getting the victim back home, as it would be horrific P.R. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that different states have different ages of consent and majority. Back in the 80's, NJ's consent law allowed sexual relations between two individuals of less than two years' age difference. Now I understand that 16 is an absolute age of consent. So while it had been illegal for a 20-year old to date a 17-year old, it is now legal, as 16 is the absolute age of consent. Plus, there is the issue of minor emancipation. So the answers here are terribly oversimplified. μηδείς (talk) 14:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't know that there's been any suggestion she would be charged with anything. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I did not mean that the child would be charged with anything, but that he/she might fight being returned to her parents. A child near majority can sue for emancipation, and thus not be subject to her biological parents' fiat. In that case, if she is declared of age, she might choose not to return "home" to her parents. There may be a default situation, but if the child petitions the court it may not apply. Otherwise minor emancipation would be a meaningless concept. It is rare, but it is not non-existent. μηδείς (talk) 17:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I think I see what you're hinting at. On the face of it, it would likely depend on the laws of her home state. But it may turn out to be more complicated than a simple abduction. In a situation where an underage abduction victim was actually wanting to "run away from home", then there could indeed be a "custody" battle of sorts. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I won't discuss it further, but this item is still in the news, turns out to be quite complex, and is the subject of further litigation, although not regarding the extradition itself. μηδείς (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:42, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

As far as the relationships between states are concerned, there are several agreements between the states that are relevant. We need an article about the Interstate Commission for Juveniles [2]; we have one on the Interstate Compact on the Placement of Children. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 20:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Starting a business selling my sperm?

Either trolling, or indistinguishable from trolling, and there's no real way anyone can answer this anyway. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
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Note, this hatting may have been inappropriate. It is currently being discussed on the Ref Desk talk page: Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#.22Business_advice.22. StuRat (talk) 22:24, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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