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November 15

Portuguese name order

Is there some reason the article is titled Getúlio Fredo, when the name is written Fredo Getulio Aurelio on the first line of the article? Clarityfiend (talk) 11:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Because he goes by that name? Brazillian soccer players are well known to go by professional names which are not identical to their birth names; it's a fairly well-established tradition in that sport, and there are hundreds of examples. The name is chosen by the player for its own aesthetic reasons, sometimes it's their first name, sometimes their last, and sometimes neither. This article describes the naming traditions of Brazillian soccer. --Jayron32 13:38, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

It does look like it. See [1]. However the name on his passport is Fredo Getúlio Aurelio. 92.27.49.50 (talk) 14:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

The name on Marilyn Monroe's driver's license in the early 1950s was Norma Jean DiMaggio, but her article is listed under her stage name. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

There is a policy on this, WP:COMMONNAME which dictates that articles should be created with the subject's commonly referred name which may differ from their given name. Its why the article is Ronaldinho and not Ronaldo de Assis Moreira. Or Bill Clinton and not William Jefferson Clinton. uhhlive (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, see Portuguese name#São Paulo State area; at least in São Paulo, it's common to have a Portuguese first given name, a foreign second given name (which "Getúlio" apparently is, judging by his article's hatnote), and then two family names. As he's coached in Estonia and qualified for a Finnish passport, I suppose that it's possible that he dropped one of his family names, or if he indeed has a foreign background, maybe his immediate ancestors didn't bother using multiple family names in the first place. Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Getúlio is an indigenous Portuguese name (example, another Brazilian footballer, Getúlio Vargas de Oliveira Júnior, known as Getúlio Vargas). The article was originally titled Fredo Getulio Aurelio. It was then moved (per WP:COMMONNAME) to Getulio. A few days later the move was reversed. A few months later it was moved to Getulio Aurelio. A few months after that the original title was restored. A few days later it was changed to Fredo Getulio. The present version was introduced six years later. 82.13.208.70 (talk) 11:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer to Vargas; I'd already thought of him, but without looking I figured that the president's parents might have been immigrants who picked a foreign name for their son. Nyttend (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

His full name is Getúlio Vargas Freitas de Oliveira Júnior and he was born on 22 January 1983. The president at that time was João Figueiredo. Getúlio Dornelles Vargas was a dictator who died in 1954 by his own hand (I never heard of him before today). His parents were Cândida Francisca Dornelles Vargas and Nascimento Vargas. His son Manuel Antônio Sarmanho Vargas died the same way in 1997 and his son Getúlio Dornelles Vargas Neto similarly on 17 July this year.[2] 82.13.208.70 (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2017 (UTC)