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November 7
editWhen will the next Ukrainian election happen?
editThe page Next Ukrainian parliamentary election says the election "will take place in 2024 or later, after the end of the Russian invasion of Ukraine". It says it will happen after martial law is cancelled, and that Zelenskyy said it will happen in 2024. But nobody knows that the war with Russia will end in 2024, so are there any legal requirements about when it will happen? Is there a limit to the President or Legislature's authority to postpone it? Kk.urban (talk) 21:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Martial law means what it means, in this case. Remsense聊 21:10, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- This means that there is no limit? If so, the article should probably refrain from including Zelenskyy's statement that
President Zelenskyy announced that the elections will not be held as scheduled in 2023 due to ongoing martial law, and will only be held in 2024 when the war, and martial law, is over
- as if it is factual. Kk.urban (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- It doesn't state that elections will happen, it states that he said that they will. Remsense聊 21:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- I know that the German word wikt:de:wenn may correspond to either of the English words "if" or "when", so I wondered if this "when" in the passage could be a translation error. I looked in Wiktionary to see if there is a Ukrainian word that similarly translates both. I found that wikt:if and wikt:when both list коли́ as a possible translation. But Ukrainian Wiktionary has no entry for коли́, and translates wikt:uk:коли into English only as "when". Since I don't speak Ukrainian (and don't even know what the difference between и and и́ is), I can't tell if I'm on the right track or with this explanation not. --142.112.221.156 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- As reported in the source cited in the article,
- "Elections in Ukraine will be held in 2024 only if martial law is ended by then, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an interview with the BBC on June 22."
- "Only if" is not the same as "when"; the statement in the article misrepresents the source. --Lambiam 09:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- It doesn't state that elections will happen, it states that he said that they will. Remsense聊 21:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ukraine doesn't know when the war will end, but Russia does. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- So you say. --142.112.221.156 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- I too am confused about what Bugs's justification for this assertion is. I read it as saying something like "the war will be over when Russia stops fighting", but even if that is true, I am not sure why Russia would know when that will be. --Trovatore (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- And, according to Russia, the "war" hasn't even started; it's a "special military operation" (that was expected to last three days). 136.54.106.120 (talk) 17:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's becoming more special every day. And it will end when Putin decides to give up, or when he drops the big one. Only Putin knows when either option could be. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- And, according to Russia, the "war" hasn't even started; it's a "special military operation" (that was expected to last three days). 136.54.106.120 (talk) 17:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I too am confused about what Bugs's justification for this assertion is. I read it as saying something like "the war will be over when Russia stops fighting", but even if that is true, I am not sure why Russia would know when that will be. --Trovatore (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- So you say. --142.112.221.156 (talk) 07:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ukraine doesn't know when the war will end, but Russia does. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- One of the references linked from our article is from Reuters and says of holding elections in wartime:
- "We are not closing this page. The president of Ukraine is considering and weighing the different pros and cons," said Dmytro Kuleba [Minister of Foreign Affairs], adding that elections would bring unprecedented challenges. (3 November 2023) [1]
- That seems to be the latest news; presumably the constitution could be amended to allow the elections to go ahead, should Zalenskiy choose to go down that path. Alansplodge (talk) 16:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- The article 1864 United States presidential election may give some comparison to - very remotely related - conditions in the US. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- By November 1864, the Civil War was about done. There's no end in sight for the Ukraine situation. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:55, 8 November 2023 (UTC)