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September 29

Young Hastle / 夏が好き feat. KOWICHI & JAZEE MINOR Prod. by THE ROMANTICZ [Official Video] Lyrics

I just need a link to the lyrics. མཀུཏ (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

AFC vs FC

In English football, is there any substantial difference in clubs named "AFC" and those named "FC", other than nomenclature? (The article "Association football club names" does not address this.)   → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 23:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

In England there are two games traditionally called football, the older one being rugby football, and the more modern one association football (soccer). There are teams within both games which call themselves XXXXX FC (see, for example Richmond F.C. which is a rugby club, while Arsenal F.C. is an association football club. In some cases, and at times to avoid confusion, teams have preferred AFC or RFC to distinguish themselves. There are, for example, teams called Hull FC (rugby) and Hull AFC (soccer).Wymspen (talk) 12:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I think you are misunderstanding the OP's question. It's clear that the OP fully understands the difference between rugby and football, and the question is not about rugby and football teams calling themselves by different names in order to distinguish themselves from one another. Rather, the question is about why teams like A.F.C. Bournemouth and AFC Wimbledon are so-called, when teams like Arsenal F.C. don't have that initial A. It's certainly not to distinguish themselves from a similarly named rugby club, since there are (as far as I'm aware) no major rugby teams in Wimbledon and Bournemouth. --Viennese Waltz 13:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

AFC Bournemouth and AFC Wimbledon both have chequered pasts, and are modern reinventions of Bournemouth football club and Wimbledon FC. The A in these cases stands for "Association". The clubs adopted these names when they were re-registered. --TammyMoet (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Link to previous discussion on this topic. TammyMoet, in 2009 you said that the A in AFC Bournemouth stood for Athletic and the A in AFC Wimbledon didn't stand for anything. Now you say they both stand for Association. --Viennese Waltz 14:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, @Viennese Waltz:. That is indeed my question. I am just wondering if the use of "AFC" vs "FC" is a matter of club preference, or is there some inherent distinction between "AFC" clubs an "FC" clubs?    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 15:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Isn't it usually because a club from a different code had already formed using FC? For example, if there were already a Billybottom FC that played rugby, then anyone wanting to form a soccer club would use AFC?--Khajidha (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Coo. Someone took the time and trouble to see what I said 9 years ago on the subject. I am 9 years older and have read more around the subject in those 9 years. I do apologise for the callowness of my 50-year-old self. --TammyMoet (talk) 15:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

AFC Bournemouth changed to that name from Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic in the early 1970's. as part of the re-branding of the club as "more continental and dynamic" that saw the current badge featuring a stylised Dickie Dowsett heading a ball adopted. The chequered past that AFCB could be fairly have said to have had more recently is nothing to do with it. This is, incidentally, why the AFC in the name does bot stand for anything. Britmax (talk) 15:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Wymspen had already answered the question, and Viennese Waltz is clearly just being unnecessarily pedantic, when the question is a bit stupid in the first place. Why would the article Association football club names address it when it's an article specifically about Association Football, and not any other sport? If there was a need for the difference between AFC and FC to be explained anywhere, then Football would be the article to do it. There is no difference between Association Football clubs who use AFC, FC, CF, SV or anything else, as they all play Association Football. As Wymspen said most clubs who use the "A" for "Association" do so to separate themselves from Rugby clubs who have already used the name "FC" or Association Football clubs which existed previously or still exist. Some Rugby clubs use RFC, while others use FC, RUFC, RLFC etc. And the same goes for Association Football clubs. The "A" in "AFC" in regard to Football club names can also stand for Amateur, Athletic, American, Australian etc (which I've just added to the AFC disambiguation page), and no doubt many more I've forgotten about. A.F.C. Bournemouth use the "A" for "Athletic" because there's already a Bournemouth F.C. as well as a Bournemouth A.F.C.. AFC Wimbledon use the "A" because they replaced Wimbledon F.C.. They have never confirmed what the "A" in their name stands for. A theory which I've heard a few times over the years is that most Association Football clubs in the early years of Football used the full "Association Football Club" name, but decided to abbreviate it to "Football Club" so it was less of a mouthful. Whereas others decided to keep the full "Association Football Club" name as they thought it made their club sound more official. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:08, 2 October 2018 (UTC)