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Division 1 in sports

How come Division 1 is often used for sport divisions which are not the premier division? In many countries, the top league of football, bandy, ice hockey and other sports, has been renamed, and the name Division 1 (or similar, which once was the name of the top tier) is then retained but for a lower level. What's the reasoning behind this? Bandy boy (talk) 02:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for introducing me to bandy, a sport of which I had never previously heard. Weird, because I've been a russophile all my life. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Marketing and money, basically. In England, as our article Premier League explains, the top 20 clubs, which had previously constituted the old First Division, broke away from the Football League in 1992 to form a new Premier League in order to attract lucrative sponsorship and TV deals. The name Division 1 was then used to describe the old Second Division. --Viennese Waltz 08:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Just to add there were originally 22 teams in the Premiership when it launched but it then reduced to 20 teams at the end of 1994-95 when 4 teams got relegated and only 2 teams got promoted. ny156uk (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I see, so naming the second division "Division 1" gets more sponsor money to the clubs in the second division? It seems reasonable to name it so then, if it's true. However, it makes the numbering unclear. You probably understand that the Premier League is the premier league, but how are you to understand that Division 1 actually is division 2? You just have to learn it, I suppose. :-) Bandy boy (talk) 13:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Not quite accurate. Originally there was one organisation, the Football League, with four divisions, the top one being Division 1. The Premier League is technically a separate organisation, and the top clubs left the Football League to form it, which left the Football League with three divisions, the top one of which was Division 1. It has become more confusing since, as the Football League has renamed its three divisions as the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

It's not the worst. I remember back in the 80s there was a British league playing American Football, and at one point it had three divisions, the National, Premier and First divisions - so the First Division was the bottom one. --Nicknack009 (talk) 17:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, of note, in most American states the High School sports divisions are numbered backwards. The smallest schools are usually placed in "Division 1A" while the largest schools in "Division 4A" or "Division 5A". --Jayron32 09:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

About.me

Is About.me a reliable source? I'm trying to work on my draft on an article on actress/singer Kira Tozer and the only thing I could find was a About.me page about her. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 07:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

It's unlikely. See "Self-published sources", for example. ---Sluzzelin talk 07:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The distinction between "true" and "verifiable". For example, if a reliable and independent source examines a self-published work and declares it to be solid, then it should be useable. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Name of this tune?

The rondo of a work sometimes attributed to Mozart (Violin Concerto #7, K.271a/271i) has been noted to contain a Czech christmas carol. I can sort of recognize the tune: here it is in its first appearance in the concerto.

What's it called? (Because I want to refer to it explicitly when I write the article on that concerto.) Double sharp (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

@JackofOz: should be along shortly to help. He's the resident expert in things of a classical music nature. --Jayron32 18:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The part beginning in the sixth bar can remind one of part of "Půjdem spolu do Betléma" ("Let's go to Bethlehem"), but I found no reference, and I'm not sure it would mean the quote was deliberate. If you wish to check it out, you'll find recordings googling ""Půjdem spolu do Betléma", but you need to listen for a bit, the phrase isn't at the very beginning. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jayron. However, Czech Christmas carols are not exactly my forte; I know a number of them, that number being 0.

I've had a scout around my reference library and online, and am drawing a blank about this connection between Mozart and a Czech Christmas carol. I have the later Yehudi Menuhin recording (an LP I purchased in the mid 70s; it's called Concerto No. 6 there), and the sleeve notes talk about the Rondo containing a quote of the Gavotte joyeuse from Mozart's own ballet music for Les petits riens, K, 299b (a later K number than K.271a, interestingly). But nothing about any carol.

The only place anywhere at all that I've seen reference to a Czech or Bohemian Christmas carol is at www.mozartforum.com (the first hit here), but when I click the link I discover the account is suspended and I can't access it. I’m guessing it's just someone reporting to the forum that it reminds them of some such carol. But that brief mention, if that's what it is, hardly amounts to an acknowledgement by the general musicological community that Mozart (or whoever wrote the concerto) did in fact quote any such carol, because I can't corroborate it at all. Best I can do. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

That page is still in Google's cache here. Thincat (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

From the page: "Kevin Bazzana in his CD notes to the Richard Kapp recording of this Concerto believes he has a clue for the provenance of the Concerto. Kapp stated that during the recording sessions the members of the Czech Philharmonie Chamber Orchestra laughed when they began playing the piece, for the theme of the Rondo quotes a Bohemian Christmas carol. Thus the Concerto could have been the work of a Czech composer. Perhaps someone familiar with Bohemian music of that period can nail down this tune, and we can add this to the puzzle of the Violin Concerto K271a." It might not be a quotation, just a similarity (and the webpage never said it had one – I guess you can blame my bad phrasing!). Double sharp (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

(In case you have no audio) Here is some sheet music of "Půjdem spolu". The fifth, sixth, and eighth bar in that example are virtually identical to the sixth, seventh, and ninth bar in the sheet music you posted above, though in a different key, of course. The seventh bar of "Půjdem spolu" is different from the eighth bar in your Rondo. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Double sharp (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Do we know when the piece was written? Don't forget Mozart spent quite some time in Prague. Hayttom 19:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hayttom (talk • contribs)

It's traditionally dated to 16 July 1777, but many have suggested alternative datings, and thus it could be possible. Double sharp (talk) 05:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Article created: Violin Concerto No. 7 (Mozart). Double sharp (talk) 15:08, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Olympus Has Fallen question

What was the secret service character played by Dylan McDermott's stated reason in the movie for joining the terrorists? I had to step out and by the time I came back he was dead. 75.75.42.89 (talk) 23:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Relationship between mom and daughter

I need help. Me and my moms relationship snapped after she got an iPhone. She is addicted. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.128.125 (talk) 23:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

This reference desk is not equipped to provide any help for your problem. Seek the advice of a family therapist or other similar professional if you are having relationship troubles within your family. No one you meet here is qualified to help you. --Jayron32 23:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I've already tried that. Nothing has helped. I don't care if they're not qualified. I just need opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.128.125 (talk) 23:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

This is not the place to get opinions. We do not give opinions here. --Jayron32 23:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Call your mother on her phone, and talk about the issue. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

At least you're not suffering alone. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

As others have already noted, we can't tell you what to do, or give advice about this sort of problem. If you do not have a family member or friend whom you can talk to about this, or some other responsible adult, as User:Jayron32 suggested you might talk to a family therapist or doctor. You might find it useful to read our articles on Addiction and Behavioral addiction, and perhaps the articles on Digital addicts and Internet Addiction Disorder. RomanSpa (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2014 (UTC)