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October 18

coverage of heavy metal albums, tagged by genre

Hi, I noticed recently that the "Genre" tag was removed from each release in a band's discography. Previously, you could go to a bands discography and see the specific genre associated with each individual release. This was very helpful in tagging my enormous music collection. Any plans to bring these tags back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.41.193 (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. The problem with music genre at Wikipedia was that such tags were mostly unverifiable and led to endless edit wars between die-hard fans who insisted that their favorite band was NOT alternative-funk-rock, but were instead Nu-metal-funk-crossover, and then someone else would come along to say they were infact post-punk-rock-alternative, and this would go every few hours for years at a time. If you are looking for sources for this information, may I suggest [allmusic.com], which does this categorization, and is a fairly comprehensive source. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Or worse, I found many articles containing genres like: Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, Skate Rock, Punk, Funk Rock, Fuck Core, Hardcore... and the list goes on and on and on. What is the use? The only way to make genre worth anything is to force a very limited set of genres - which will cause a huge debate and, if we are lucky, will resolve in a proper set of genres sometime in the next 30 years. Then, when someone uses an improper genre, the debate to include the genre will start the whole process over again. -- kainaw™ 23:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that people that know almost nothing (or know nothing) about the genres or the sub-genres edit the page, well we are on wikipedia and not everyone is a expert and edits by non experts occur in every article, but the problem is when people write someting wrong in a science article you can correct then and explain to the editor and show some facts. Explain to them music based things like "why new metal is not a genre of metal" or others things like that is much more difficult. Many places (mtv, radio stations, editors friends, some magazines) label things wrongly with make things more difficult. Removing the sub-genres articles would be a bad idea, because some styles and genres have veery different sub-genres (electronic music is one of them). One thing to do is remove genres that really dont exist (or make a article explaing that they where coined by the media and etc..), genres like electronica, alternative rock (this is not a genre almost any type of rock can be "alternative", is just a matter of how the artist do their music), pop (many genres can be labeled as pop)..... Exdeathbr (talk) 23:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Baby in a well

Hi. I once saw a movie in which a baby fell into an abandoned well in the family's back garden. There was a big rescue effort, including cutting through rock with a high pressure hose. I believe that it was based on a true story, but can't remember the title. Can anybody help please? Mark Model (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

As soon as I posted, the phrase "baby jessica" popped into my head. I searched and found Jessica McClure. Sorry! Mark Model (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

But don't forget about little Timmy O'Toole. —Kevin Myers 03:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to get an ORIGINAL version of Hello Hooray by Rolf Kempf?

I remember back in the early '70's before Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies came out there was another version of the song Hello Hooray on the radio. Alice's version is a cover. The song is written by Rolf Kempf and I've visited his website and there are 2 versions, but not the 70's original. I know there's another version but I've yet to find it nor who originally recorded it. Please help me find it...I'll thank you forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runttr1 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic.com is an excellent reference for any music related questions you may have. You can search for artists, songs, or albums, and it's about as comprehensive a source as is out there. According to a search I did there: located here, the versions earlier than Mr. Furnier et. al. were done by Judy Collins in 1968 and Meg Christian in 1974. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Superman movie

Two years ago I've seen a Superman movie whose ending shows Superman restoring the American flag atop the White House and assuring the President that he will never again abandon his duty. Can someone identify this Superman movie? David Pro (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Superman II -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone but me find this question odd, considering that the words "restoring the American flag atop the White House and assuring the President that he will never again abandon his duty" occur verbatim in the Superman II article? Deor (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Surprise, surprise: There are 18 Google hits which link to sites containing the identical phrase. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 19:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Last good Ivy League NFL quarterback

Okay, "good" is toos subjective for the reference desk, but given the talent on the Bengals of Cincinnati, just the last time an Ivy League QB won a game in the National Football League would be a good question. Also, what about the last to be the starting quarterback for most of a season. I'm sure there were some back in the very early days of the NFL (we're talking Leatherheads era) and maybe even some Hall of Famers, but the Ivy league schools are not known as football factories, to say the least :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.221 (talk) 19:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Surprsingly, Jay Fiedler was pretty recent, and from Dartmouth. However, just skimming www.pro-football-reference.com (their NCAA" section listsall colleges) I didn't see any QBs that started consistently from Harvard.

As the OP suspected, there is a smattering of Hall of Fame players, mostly from the very earlier years, from Ivy League schools, even one QB, Sid Luckman, who was from the days of leather helmets, I think. (Not sure when they stopped wearing them.)Somebody or his brother (talk) 22:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Looking through PFR (as noted above) and going through all 8 Ivy League schools, I come up with the following starting QBs in the NFL:

• Brown No one of significance
• Columbia Marty Domres, started 6 games for the Chargers, 24 for the Colts, and 2 for the Jets, mostly in the 1970s... Sid Luckman, already mentioned....
• Cornell Gary Wood, started 10 games for the New York Giants in the 1960's
• Dartmouth besides the aforementioned Jay Fiedler, there was Jeff Kemp who started 29 games for the Rams, Seahawks, 49ers and Eagles during the 1980's
• Harvard's Ryan Fitzpatrick started 3 games for the Rams in 2005, and as mentioned is currently playing for the Bungles
• Penn No one of significance
• Princeton gave us Jason Garrett, the current Cowboys Offensive Coordinator and longtime backup QB to Troy Aikman.
• Yale No one of significance.

So, as far as Ivy League QB's goes, that's about it. You have Columbia's Luckman, Dartmouth's Fiedler, and Princeton's Garrett as probably the best 3 Ivy league NFL QBs. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 23:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

CBS

In the article on CBS, it says the name Tiffany network refers to the preceived quality under it's founder. Does that mean their quality was good or bad?? 99.226.24.150 (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Tiffany & Co. was once considered the finest jewllers in America, and their name became associated with quality. Much as, in the American idiom, it became popular to call something "The Cadillac of..." some industry, being associated with Tiffany meant you were excellent quality. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 22:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. --Anon, 23:42 UTC, October 18, 2008.