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I've listed this article for peer review because i have adjustments to the article since the last time, this went under a peer review, back in May 2009. This has included the removal of the sports and recreation section (with the majority of information being merged into the culture section); a new public services section; tidy-up of the governance section removing the sub-sections and more information about the town's history in the lead introduction. I would like to see what else needs to be done with the article, since I am very determined to get Kirkcaldy to FA status

Thanks, Kilnburn (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brianboulton comments: There's a lot in this article, but it still needs some polishing. My starting point has been the previous peer review, which listed a number of issues for attention, including several MOS requirements. It doesn't seem that all these have been addressed. My preliminary list of points, therefore, consists mainly of MOS points which must be dealt with.

MOS issues
- There are numerous cases where there are spaces between punctuation and reference. One example of many: "...administrative issues and fiscal policy. [7]" Should be "...administrative issues and fiscal policy.[7]"
- There is an instance in the "Landmarks" section where a full stop follows the reference.
- Hyphens: many MOS violations:-
  - Page ranges in references require ndashes not hyphens
  - Ndashes, not hyphens, are also required in the following formulations:-

"...Kirkcaldy–Glenrothes"

"...Oswald family – specifically..."

"...James Oswald – when Watson..."

"...Fife – catering..."

"...town – St Brycedale..."

- The following words or terms should not be hyphenated: "re-developed" (redevloped); "re-located" (relocated); "Re-development" (Redevelopment); "sixteenth-century" (16th century)
- "Thornton-by-pass" should be "Thornton by-pass".
- "queer-like" is not an idiomatic English language expression. It is POV anyway. And why is it shown in italics?
Miscellaneous issues
- You should not use both "mile" and "mi". I suggest use "mile" consistently ("mi" is not a generally-used abbreviation in the UK)
- "33s 4d" will be meaningless to your readers without an explanation, and a rendering into modern currency.
- Rather than referring to decades as "80s", "90s" etc, you should say "1980s", "1990s"
- You do not appear to be using no-break spaces, for example in 41 years, 39 years, etc. Please check for other instances where no-break spaces should be used
- Year ranges should be given as, for example, "2009–10" not "2009/2010". Other number ranges (339/343 etc) should be divided by ndashes.

I have not looked at the prose in any detail, yet. When you've dealt with the above I will review the prose; please leave a note on my talkpage when you are ready. Brianboulton (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Later: A note on my talkpage suggests that the above issues have been attended to. However:-

There are still spaces between punctuation and refs - see History and Governance sections
Page ranges in the references still have hyphens
The "mi" abbreviation is still being used in the infobox
You are using mdashes rather than ndashes in, for example, "1963—1964" and "Glenrothes—Kirkcaldy"
When ndashes are used in text (as against in number ranges) they need spaces round them. Thus "...Oswald family–specifically Captain James Oswald–when Watson..." should be: "...Oswald family – specifically Captain James Oswald – when Watson..."
You are still not using no-break spaces.
"Re-development" still occurs in the references

These may seem trivial, but if you are taking this article to FAC, it will be expected that all MOS are fixed. I suggest you go very carefully through, to ensure that all violations have been picked up. Finally, if "queer-like smell" is a quote, it should be in quotation marks, not italics, and you need to provide a source. It's not enough just to say this is what the locals say.

Brianboulton (talk) 10:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Below message transferred from Brianboulton talkpage

i have sorted it all out and more importantly i have "taken" my time doing this (i agree with this). however, this is for the exception of the no-break spaces (what are these exactly?) and replacing the abbreviation of "mi" with mile instead (how do i change this so that in the forumla "mi" is replaced with "mile" and why is this abbreviation perfectly exceptable in the infoboxs of feature articles such as Neilston and Sheffield?).Kilnburn (talk) 20:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the no-break spaces, but you need to know how to use these. Read WP:NBSP for instruction. I've made a few other fixes, too. The featured articles you mention are quite old (Sheffield from 2005) and people were less fussy then. If you use the standard "convert" template (see WP:CONVERT for details) the "mile" format is automatic. Brianboulton (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]