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July 8

Where do I give feedback on the Talk page software?

Greetings and felicitations. Where do I give feedback on the software used on Talk pages such this very one—the software I am using right now? —DocWatson42 (talk) 00:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

See "How to report a bug" (which covers suggestions as well as complaints). -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah—thank you. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@DocWatson42: There is often a more specific place for something. There is different software to edit this page. The "New topic" tag in your edit summary [1] indicates "Enable quick topic adding" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. When you use it there should be a "Share feedback about this feature" link at the bottom going to mw:Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you the pointer. The problem is finding where that place is. :-/ I did check my preferences before posting, but did not locate anything that seemed relevant. —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Atty. Claire Castro

Who is Atty. Claire Castro? 2600:1700:7430:5C80:295B:3913:DE37:1FC3 (talk) 01:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Is this a question about the use of Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, she is a YouTuber. See here. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

copying a Wikipedia page into my sandbox

I can't see how to copy a Wikipedia page into a sandbox and edit it there. I felt that I should because when In tried to edit the real page I got an error message when previewing it and everything I tried warned that my edits might be lost. PedantJFH (talk) 02:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your description of what you want to do isn't entirely clear, PedantJFH, but it does sound very similar to what Robert McClenon warned you not to attempt eight years ago. Robert McClenon described ways by which you might succeed in achieving your aims. Did he misunderstand you? Or do I misunderstand you when I infer that you're still trying to do what he warned you not to attempt? -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing prevents you working on specific portions of text of an existing article in a sandbox like User:PedantJFH/sandbox, if that's what you mean. WP:COPYPASTE may be of relevance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the name for this practice on Wikipedia?

I remember reading (on the Wikipedia namespace) about a particular practice where a page is moved from Title A to Title B (and the two titles have no relationship to each other) and its contents completely changed from that of Title A to that of Title B. I noticed that this particular practice isn't even listed on the Vandalism page. What is the name of this practice, and on which WP namespace article(s) has this practice been documented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.100.178 (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps there's a reason you don't know. -- Hoary (talk) 06:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Article hijack Meters (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Two good answers from Hoary and Meters, which are concise for good reason. WP:DENY is also worth reading. Cullen328 (talk)

How early on is an article able to be AfD'd?

This is a question that has been on the tip of my tongue until about 5 minutes ago, when an article which needs a pronto deletion was created. It doesn't meet the WP:SPEEDYDELETE criteria, but meets other criteria for deletion. So my question is, do I have to wait to AfD an article, or can I just go ahead with it? Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 06:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

There is literally no minimum time and if the article clearly does not comply with policies and guidelines, you can nominate it at AfD immediately. However, if the article is being actively edited to improve it in the period right after creation, I would recommend waiting until the article stabilizes before nominating it for deletion, and only after a good faith search for sources demonstrating notability, as described at WP:BEFORE. Editors perceived as aggressive deletionists who have not done their notability homework in advance may receive an unfriendly response. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay. This is an article topic that has already been quasi-deleted before (creator moved it back to draftspace because of an immediate AfD), and the WikiProject it falls under have specific WP:TOOSOON rules. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 07:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Eastern Suburbs Rugby Union Football Club

Having an issue with an editor Peejay.

Vandalizing the site by removing notability.

Changing the page name from the legal name registered with ASIC.

I have seen this behaviour before as it this is the first steps that editors go through to then recommend a page for deletion.

This usually occurs from people with some affiliation with NSW rugby.

I have asked him to cease and desist from making changes. But he is going way to far.

He has even threatened me. 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Mmunji1 (talk) 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Mmunji1 for the page name, we use the name that most people call it, so it is easier to look up the article. The legal name is in the first sentence.

The majority of the #Premierships and #Eightball sections are unreferenced, and honestly they should mostly be removed, with the most important ones remaining there, to balance the article out so it isn't just listing a bunch of awards.

Since you have a conflict of interest with Eastern Suburbs RUFC (Tasmania) you should really avoid editing the article directly to avoid making the article too promotional. If you are paid to do so you have to disclose your relationship (see link).

Peejay saying If you revert again, I will escalate this discussion to the admins. is too far in my opinion. But he is right that you need to talk it out, and that you should not automatically assume that he has an agenda against the football club. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I do not have a conflict of interest. I am not an officer of the club. I am not paid to do anything at all. Mmunji1 (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your statement on my talk page where you said "We have issues with NSW and persons from that state trying to take ownership of the name" suggested you did have some sort of official involvement with the club. If that is not the case, I apologise, but being paid is not the only thing that creates a conflict of interests, it just means you are required to declare it; even if you are just a member of the club, that is a conflict of interests that means you should be discouraged from editing this article. Nevertheless, I have noted that much of the content of the article was lifted directly from the club's website. This is not allowed due to copyright law. The content on the club's website belongs to them and cannot be reproduced here verbatim. I've been looking very carefully at this article, and to be honest, I'm struggling to see how the club satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines; however, I don't care enough to start the deletion procedure. If someone else wants to, I would probably support it, but it's not worth my time to lead the discussion. I'll also point out that the only person to have made any meaningful contribution to this article is Mmunji1 themself. Read into that what you will, Sungodtemple. – PeeJay 14:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Notability has been proven and should not be removed. The majority of sporting pages refer to premierships and Australian representation. Mmunji1 (talk) 13:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "notability has been proven and should not be removed". I am extremely dubious that a listing on what appears to be their own site, and two articles in newspapers which do not appear themselves to be significant enough to be covered in Wikipedia, and without bylines or (in one case) even a title, add up to establishing notability. I have tagged the article as requiring more sources and possibly failing to establish notability.

Also, Mmunji1, please read what Wikipedia means by vandalism before you throw that accusation around again. ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Edoardo

Please check reference number 1 - it is in red. thank you 175.38.37.197 (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Seems the edit adding a reference was reverted. You may want to ask the reverting editor why. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Not previously involved, but examining the History, the (defective) reference was added by the OP above. This was correctly reverted by Dr. Chance Padberg, and then re-added with the error corrected by EarthquakeInterest.

The reference is being used to corroborate a variant spelling – 'Edorardo' – of the name that otherwise does not appear in the list article, and appears only once in one other article in Wikipedia that also refers to the same person as 'Edoardo', and that uses the same reference.

However, the linked source does not use the spelling 'Edorardo', it uses 'Edoardo', so the citation is incorrect.

I have therefore removed the variant and reference from Edoardo, and corrected what was obviously a typo in the other article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Appropriate statements on user page

Is it OK to reveal my political opinions on my user page? If so, is it advised? Thank you. YoPienso (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I would say it is generally ok but personally I don't see the point. WP:UP#NOT has more detailed information on what is not permitted on user pages. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Political user templates contains some templates that you can use for this purpose. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! YoPienso (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Errors on Wikipedia page Glen George

Please would you update the Wikipedia page listed as Glenn George has some errors.

my name is spelt Glenn MAXFIELD George and not Glen Maxwell George as listed.

would you update please.

thank you

Glenn Maxfield7 (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for letting us know

As it happens, the error had already been corrected when you posted here. TSventon (talk) 18:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Erroneous entries

Someone created a wiki page for me. He created reference that don't exist, biased the page unfairly in his favor, diminished the influence I had in the research field and generally distorted the story of my professional career. I want to edit the page to make it reflect a truer and more honest accounting of my life Frank Werblin (talk) 21:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frank Werblin It would be unwise to perform edits to Frank Werblin yourself, but you may use the article's talk page to request that it be edited. {{Edit COI}} should be used, with the instructions for use at the link. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frank Werblin "would" is now irrelevant, because it was unwise.

Now, this gets difficult. This is the internet. While we have no reason to doubt that you are Werblin, we also have no reason to know that you are, and this makes life interesting. It is conceivable that someone might masquerade as Werblin in order to discredit while stating that they are Werblin wishing to correct a great wrong. I'm sure you understand these mental gymnastics.

It is shutting of the stable door post horse exit at speed to state here that you "want" to edit the page when you have already and been reverted multiple times.

Use of {{Edit COI}} prevents this by creation of full transparency, thus it protects Frank Werblin from User:Frank Werblin who is probably the same person but may not be. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)