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Krishna

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Result: Delist Some good advice for improvements below for any editors looking to return this to Good status AIRcorn (talk) 02:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

This article appears to me to have problems with both clear and correct prose (criterion 1a), sourcing (criterion 2b), and perhaps to some degree neutrality (criterion 4). I've cleaned up some basic proofreading errors in the text [1], but here are some sample problematic sentences that remain:

• "In this form, he usually stands with one leg bent in front of the other and raises a flute to his lips, known as Tribhangi Mudra, accompanied by cows, emphasizing his position as the divine herdsman, Govinda, or with the gopis (milkmaids) i.e. Gopikrishna, stealing butter from neighbouring houses i.e. Navneet Chora or Gokulakrishna, defeating the vicious serpent i.e. Kaliya Damana Krishna, lifting the hill i.e. Giridhara Krishna ..so on and so forth from his childhood / youth events." -- a syntactically odd and incorrect sentence.
• "This lone find may not establish Krishna as contemporary with Pre-Indus or Indus times, but, likewise, it cannot be ignored." -- "cannot be ignored" is a bit of editorializing that should be attributed to a specific author.
• "Chandogya Upanishad (3.17.6) Composed around 900BC-700BC" -- "composed" is miscapitalized here (fixing) and needs citation since Dec '10.
• "Connected with the festival Holi" -- floating sentence fragment
• "Mathura (in present day Mathura district, Uttar Pradesh) was the capital of the Yadavas ... " -- paragraph is unsourced
• "Krishna asked Arjuna, "Have you within no time, forgotten the Kauravas' evil deeds such as not accepting the eldest brother Yudhishtira as King, usurping the entire Kingdom without yielding any portion to the Pandavas, meting out insults and difficulties to Pandavas, attempt to murder the Pandavas in the Barnava lac guest house, publicly disrobing and disgracing Draupadi. Krishna further exhorted in his famous Bhagavad Gita, "Arjuna, do not engage in philosophical analyses at this point of time like a Pundit. You are aware that Duryodhana and Karna particularly have long harboured jealousy and hatred for you Pandavas and badly want to prove their hegemony. You are aware that Bhishmacharya and your Teachers are tied down to their dharma of protecting the unitarian power of the Kuru throne. Moreover, you Arjuna, are only a mortal appointee to carry out my divine will, since the Kauravas are destined to die either way, due to their heap of sins. Open your eyes O Bhaarata and know that I encompass the Karta, Karma and Kriya, all in myself. There is no scope for contemplation now or remorse later, it is indeed time for war and the world will remember your might and immense powers for time to come. So rise O Arjuna!, tighten up your Gandiva and let all directions shiver till their farthest horizons, by the reverbration of its string. -- quotations begin in this paragraph, but have no closing quotation marks. The quotations are unsourced.
• The section "Kurukshetra War and Bhagavad Gita" is almost entirely unsourced; it also flips between present and past tense while describing events.
• "Some Vaishnava traditions maintain that Krishna's children were born out of divine mental transmission The ten sons of Satyabhama were Bhanu, Subhanu, Svarbhanu, Prabhanu, Bhanuman, Chandrabhanu, Brihadbhanu, Atibhanu (the eighth), Sribhanu and Pratibhanu.

Samba, Sumitra, Purujit, Satajit, Sahasrajit, Vijaya, Citraketu, Vasuman, Dravida and Kratu were the sons of Jambavati. These ten, headed by Samba, were their father's favorites. The sons of Nagnajiti were Vira, Candra, Asvasena, Citragu, Vegavan, Vrisha, Ama, Sanku, Vasu and the opulent Kunti. Sruta, Kavi, Vrisha, Vira, Subahu, Bhadra, Santi, Darsa and Purnamasa were sons of Kalindi. Her youngest son was Somaka. Madra's sons were Praghosha, Gatravan, Simha, Bala, Prabala, Urdhaga, Mahasakti, Saha, Oja and Aparajita. Mitravinda's sons were Vrika, Harsha, Anila, Gridhra, Vardhana, Unnada, Mahamsa, Pavana, Vahni and Kshudhi. Sangramajit, Brihatsena, Sura, Praharana, Arijith, Jaya and Subhadra were the sons of Bhadra, together with Vama, Ayur and Satyaka. Diptiman, Tamratapta and others were the sons of Krishna and Rohini." -- long sets of lists without obvious relevance or sourcing

• "The concept of Baladeva, Vasudeva and Prati-Vasudeva was used to solve it." -- neutrality disputed since Dec '12
• "Krishna lived like humans and he was a prophet." -- a bald statement of fact that should be put more clearly in the context of a religion.

I want to emphasize that this list isn't complete, but simply examples of the kind of problems I'm encountering. If someone attempts a general clean-up, I'll be glad to take a second look. Notifying relevant parties. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Since this is a high traffic article, many users and anons have contributed to the article, some of the content has violated GA criteria. I am currently busy and can check this only week. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

On second thoughts, it is best that this article fails as lot of work is needed to cleanup and I am currently busy. Will do this article on my own pace afterwards. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Delist - Nothing has been done to improve this article since it was brought here, and the person who would be the best choice to clean it up (Redtigerxyz) has indicated that he does not have the time to do so right now. The issues that Khazar2 points out are indicative of the quality of the article as a whole. There is a significant lack of referencing, some unreliable/outdated sourcing, poor organization and poor prose. Redtiger's statement that this article is a target for additions (often unsourced and poorly organized) by new users and anons is unfortunately quite obvious from a quick look through the article. Dana boomer (talk) 16:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)