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William Tell Overture
The finale of Gioachino Rossini's "William Tell Overture", which is known as the "March of the Swiss Soldiers" and starts at the 7:30 mark of this United States Marine Corps Band recording, is inseparably associated with The Lone Ranger as its theme.

Gioachino Rossini's "William Tell Overture" includes a finale that is known as the "March of the Swiss Soldiers" and that starts at the 7:30 mark of this United States Marine Corps Band recording. It is inseparably associated with The Lone Ranger as its theme, making this a highly important sound file for FS. The third part of this features a notable example of a Ranz des Vaches from 5:14 to 7:30. This file significantly augments the following articles:

  • Nominate and support. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Maybe just a little over-focused on the Lone Ranger in the description; The overture is notable for far more than just that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as failing #3 "The file helps readers to understand the topic of an article." In my view these brass band arrangements of classical works not only fail to help readers understand the topic of the article, they positively mislead them. The composer did not intend for these pieces to played this way at all and with this kind of intrumentation and arrangement. The overture needs a full orchestra. This version is almost unrecognizable. It's like using a cartoon to illustrate the Mona Lisa. At most it's useful for illustrating brass band music, or possibly The Lone Ranger, although the recording used on the television series also uses a full orchestra and doesn't really sound like this one at all. It definitely doesn't belong in Gioachino Rossini, and I'm removing it from there. It's a travesty of his style. Even allowing for the goofy arrangement, it's also a pretty pedestrian performance, although that's of seondary importance. I also agree with Adam re the simplistic nature of the documentation, but I'm not sure if it's worth fixing at this point. Voceditenore (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose I am disappointed to see the continued proliferation of these brass band files after the objections of the Wagner project editors etc. Little attempt has been made to document the arrangers and check the completeness of the arrangements etc. This is just becoming a waste of time. --Kleinzach 02:30, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above, it doesn't sound complete without a full orchestra. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 12:46pm • 02:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am subject to the availablity of PD versions. This has vastly upgraded the articles from the prior poor recording, IMO. However, I may have done something wrong replacing the file. Please let me know if the prior version, which only had the last two of the four parts, was musically preferable even though of poor sound quality.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I further apologize for my inability to make decisions that you feel are easy. I am not a music student other than elementary school musical instrument lessons and "Music for Poets" (pass/fail) at Princeton (or was it "Music for Jocks", hmm now that I think about the nicknames were "Rocks for Jocks", "Physics for Poets" and "Music for something or other". I probably remember the course material as well as I remember the nickname for it.). I am just presenting PD music in places where no versions exist on WP. If no version is better than what I add feel free to remove. I will refrain from adding any Brass band versions of Wagner to any articles if nothing is better than brass band versions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • It would be really appreciated if you could refrain from adding brass band recordings to any opera or classical music articles. By all means add them to brass band articles. Thank you. --Kleinzach 05:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to go ahead and WP:SNOW-ball close this. I don't think we can use that for promotes, really, but not-promotes shouldn't be controversial. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Erm -- excuse me, but that is not a “brass band,” but rather a woodwind ensemble. No trumpets, trombones, or tubas to be heard. They stoically soldier through the Storm section with Rossini’s trombone brilliancies entrusted to the bassoonists, and the listener who suffers through the first 7½ minutes in anticipation of that famous blast from the trumpet as it highjacks the final ‘B’ of the oboe to change the key from the pastorale’s G major to the galop’s E major, will be sorely disappointed to hear instead – clarinets? The overall effect is abjectly pitiful, and certainly not a fair representation of what Rossini accomplished. 71.62.176.189 (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC) Randall L., Craigsville[reply]

Not promoted. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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