Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Coconut shy

Coconut shy edit

Albert Harris and his coconut shy - Cambridge Midsummer Fair 2005

Reason: Coconut shies barely visible, irrelevant signs in the background, tent cut off on all sides.
Nominator: Pstuart84 Talk

Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 00:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Hopefully it will stick this time. I nominated this for delisting awhile back and it got kept despite my protests. It is also tilted un-ENC among other things. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 01:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per nom. It captures the garishness well, but doesn't illustrate anything properly. Matt Deres (talk) 01:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According to the image description page it has already been delisted "This was formerly a featured picture." --Fir0002 02:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's been picked up from Commons - see here. --jjron (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist: per nom; it's also on the small side.—DMCer ™ 04:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per nom. I can't believe I've never even noticed this amongst the FPs before. --jjron (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per my thinking during previous delist discussion. de Bivort 22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Signs in the background are fantastic. This guy is an original, they don't make them any more. Essential funfair atmosphere. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Whether the coconuts are visible is somewhat irrelevant given that this picture is also included in Funfair, which does not deal with coconuts. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's only encyclopedic for Funfair because it's a coconut shy, in which case the visibility of the coconuts is pretty crucial. Pstuart84 Talk 23:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Incorrect. It's encyclopaedic there because it's a funfair stall. Whether it's coconuts, cans, balls or airguns, candy or raffle, irrelevant. It is a funfair stall. It conveys a lot (npi) about what a funfair stall is, and how it's run. Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Well thanks to Pstuart84 for mentioning the delisting candidacy this time. I'm not that bothered whether this picture is delisted or not, since I gave up on illustrating Wikipedia over a year ago, when I got tired of folks in the Featured Pictures arena getting too hung up on irrelevant technicalities, such as marginally blown highlights, horizons off by < 1° and most especially I got tired of ever increasing demands for more and more pixels even though they are unlikely to be of any benefit to Wikipedia (even should a print edition one day materialise in the never never). I only noticed the last delisting suggestion on this picture months after the event, but was nevertheless disappointed to see that many people in FPC were still hung up on these sorts of anal considerations rather than trying to encourage the best illustrations for the widest range of subjects.

Now I've a lot more respect for this delisting suggestion since it is trying to focus on the content. However, I should note that many of you seem to be a little confused as to what a coconut shy actually is. A coconut shy is not the coconut, nor is it the cup and stick that the coconut rests on, rather it is the whole stall in which that game takes place. It doesn't specifically include the stall owner, although all coconut shys would have one and they could be seen as an integral part of the illustration. A useful analogy would be an illustration of a bowling alley which ought to show the bowling lane, just as much as the pins.

On another note, I tend to see this picture as an example of salvage ethnography (and I recall helping ensure that we had a number of examples of Edward Curtis illustrations for The North American Indian as FPs). Travelling showmen largely live their lives apart from the rest of society and have their own subculture. It is a lifestyle that is in decline and I wouldn't be surprised if has essentially disappeared in the next 50 years. Already the last bare-knuckle boxing booth has closed in the UK when its owner died of old age a couple of years ago. -- Solipsist (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- I don't generally like quoting wikipedia on wikipedia but: "A coconut shy (or coconut shie) is a traditional game frequently found as a sidestall at funfairs and fêtes. The game consists of throwing wooden balls at a row of coconuts balanced on posts. Typically a player buys three balls and wins each coconut successfully dislodged. In some cases other prizes may be won instead of the coconuts." So maybe a better analogy would be a picture of the outside of a bowling ally being used to illustrate bowling in general. See, at least according to our article, Coconut shy is the game. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Come on Fcb - if you insist on analogies, at least let them be accurate. If this were a bowling image, you would see the pins, they would just be small within the frame that also shows the lanes and ball returns and shoe rental desk. de Bivort 06:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - - Right you are, I didn't want to lose dramatic flare by saying an image showing shoe rental, arcade, bar... maybe you get the idea. ;-) -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 23:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - And of course, you might want to check who wrote the article on the coconut shy and much of the article on the Aunt Sally too. -- Solipsist (talk) 07:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Ok, well I know little about coconut shys but maybe if you, someone with more knowledge about it, thinks its in order, the beginning of the article should be revised. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist – As per my comments from the previous nomination, main problems being the coconuts are hardly visible, and the tent is cut off. Centy – reply• contribs – 21:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist for the same reasons I gave in the previous delist discussion: This isn't a good illustration of a coconut shy. The subject of the photo is clearly the man, and the coconuts themselves are partially obscured and hidden in a sea of distracting "other stuff." Also, the red channel is blown in several areas -- I'm not referring to the lightbulbs. -- Moondigger (talk) 05:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per Moondigger Clegs (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per nom. Not encyclopedic. Cacophony (talk) 01:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article is encyclopedic for funfair (as an example of a traditional coconut shy).. and also for the article coconut shy - deceptively, despite the name the coconuts should only make up the small part of the picture that they do here. shas^Yarr!/_T|C 10:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Good color, composition OK. The image is striking and captures the atmosphere of the fair and carnival games. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 03:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, because it's used in funfair... which is more than just that specific game but the whole atmosphere. gren グレン 12:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The delist nom breaks my heart-- this has always been one of my favorite FPs. I agree that it's encyclopedic for Funfair. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist - Per above --ZeWrestler ^Talk 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus MER-C 08:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]