Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Grover Cleveland

Grover Cleveland edit

Original - President Grover Cleveland. Cleveland was the only President to stay in office for 2 terms non-consecutively, intervened in the Pullman Strike; was President during the Panic of 1893, Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act, etc. Also on the U.S. $1000 bill from 1928 to 1946, as well as $1000 dollar bill of 1907.

Reason: High res, good quality, huge EV. Original restoration work by Tom, but I finished it off by touching up the image quite a bit.
Articles this image appears in: Grover Cleveland, United States presidential election, 1884, United States presidential election, 1892, United States presidential election, 1896, Republic of Hawaii, Villanova University, Rock Springs massacre, Lafayette Square, Buffalo
Creator: Frederick Gutekunst (edited by Tom and Ceranthor)

Support as nominator --— ceranthor ^(strike) 13:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the best version available—the original LOC tiff [1] is about 5MP when cropped similaraly and is free from the huge amount of jpeg artifacting of this version. It does need a lot of restoration work, though. Thegreenj 20:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. That one would require even more substantial editing and therefore would leave more JPEG artifacts. Could you identify some of the artifacts, please, so I may fix them? —Ceran (Fly!) 20:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editing doesn't produce jpeg arifacts; saving it at too high a compression does. The artifacts are visible in all out-of-focus areas, especially around his bow tie, if you need a reference point. They're what's causing the jagged OOF edges. As to the original needing more editing, that's what FP is all about: finding the best of the best. If you look at the historical pictures that have gone through here, you'll find incredible restorations that must have taken days, but that is what this is all about. Thegreenj 01:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional oppose. Good find. Would support a new crop and restoration without the compression. Ceran, suggest you start from the original LoC file and work in .tif format (which is lossless), then convert to .jpg with maximum resolution as the final step before uploading. It'd be a good idea to save an interim .tif file or two along the way (particularly just prior to adjusting the histogram.). Best wishes; I'll look forward to changing this vote to support. Durova^Charge! 04:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kind of a noob at editing, how would I convert it? —Ceran (Fly!) 19:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're trading a couple of messages in userspace about this; suggest suspending the nomination for reediting? I'd be glad to coach. Durova^Charge! 23:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. —Ceran (Fly!) 23:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have requested the nominator that this be reopened or withdrawn since it's been down here for over a month with no further progress. I will move it back into the 'live' noms section next time I'm on if nothing else happens. I think a good rule of thumb is that noms don't stay 'suspended' for more than a month, as that's a more than generous time frame. --jjron (talk) 07:42, 21 November 2008

(UTC) Ok then, withdraw. —Ceran ♦ (talk) 01:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]