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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Rambo's Revenge 00:44, 28 March 2009 [1].

List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey

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Notified: WikiProject Olympics, Scorpion0422 and Maxim.

Nobody checked the names of this list before promoting. There are perfect external links which show all the correct names. Sorrily many of them are misspelt or end in a redirect. E.g. Oldrich Zabrodsky, Eilert Määtää, Jiri Novak, Ronald Näslund, and Katheryn Mccormack. I think a featured list needs the correct spellings? Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that we need a formal FLRC for this? Why can't this be solved on the talk page? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should have read the FLRC instructions: "Do not nominate lists that have recently been promoted (such complaints should have been brought up during the candidacy period on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates), or lists that have recently survived a removal attempt – such nominations are likely to be removed summarily." I checked my redirect checker, and only about a dozen are actually redirects (and most of those were moved after the last I checked them). The issue is diacritics, and like I explained, wikipedia is inconsistant with them. -- Scorpion0422 23:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe they should be fixed, but this issue was hardly worth an FLRC. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond the FLRC instructions, what the hell happened to common courtesy around here? Seriously, Doma-w, could you not have simply asked Scorpion and Maxim about this before running out and trying to destroy their work? This is just a bad, bad, bad FLRC. Resolute 00:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Doma-w: I'm barely active right now (if active at all), but what it seems like is that this is a case to tell you {{sofixit}}. If I understand correctly, it's just some spelling corrections, which you could have done much quicker instead of complaining about it. butterfly (talk) 00:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update I have fixed the 13 links that were redirects. [2] (to be fair though, they were all moved recently, so when they went through FLC, they wouldn't have shown up as redirects). You have to remember that a lot of these are European names, and even the sources vary on them. For example, this source uses "Ronald Naslund", this one calles him "Ron Naslund" and the IOC database uses "Ronald Näslund." In most cases, I just used whatever title that person's page was under or what was said on other wikipedia pages. -- Scorpion0422 00:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think this could be making a mountain out of a molehill. I vaguely remember Scorpion mentioning a "discussion" taking place at WP:HOCKEY about diacritics (from research this seems to be a perennial discussion: 1, 2, 3). I think there is no need to delist a particular list over this. If anything you may want to try and discuss consistency in how diacritics are used (see Wikipedia:Diacritics) but this has proved difficult many times in the past. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The diacritics issue is similar to the date linking issue in magnitude; diacritics are maybe a rung lower than date linking in being a mess with out any agreement as to what to do. butterfly (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No substantial concerns remain. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep Clarifying my stance. Per Dabomb87 and Rambo's Revenge. butterfly (talk) 00:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hold on Let's give Doma-w a chance to respond first. I disagree with this FLRC, but he has concerns with the list and I would like to try my best to address them. -- Scorpion0422 00:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have you read the talk page? I tried to correspond there...
    • "Tried"? I responded and I said I would do what I could. Pardon me for not being able to do it immediately. -- Scorpion0422 13:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a question of "keep" or not. A featured list must be perfect? Or not? Of course I want to keep the featured status!
  • "Mountain out of a molehill" - Well, the mountain of this list are the names... Or is there something I misunderstood?
  • The 13 links that were redirects: They were all misspelt in the featured list and then one user created the articles with the mispelt titles and then the articles were moved!
  • What is the problem the check all the names? Määtää is wrong in any case, correct is Määtä. Mccormack is wrong in any case, correct is McCormack. Or per WP:Title "Gordon 'Pete' Sears" is wrong. I think also the red links must be correct. A featured list should not invite users to create articles with wrong titles.
    • I can't help but wonder why you couldn't have fixed these yourself? You're aware of these errors and if you fixed them it would be faster for all of us. -- Scorpion0422 13:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are perfect refs shown, why we do not use them? The IOC database misspells many names, this source is not reliable for the spelling of the names.
  • Ron(ald) Naslund: The question is not if "Ron" or "Ronald", but "Näslund" is not correct. I am not American, but is it possible to spell the name of an American citizen with "ä"?
  • Please see all the other "List of Olympic medalists in..." e.g. List of Olympic medalists in alpine skiing, List of Olympic medalists in freestyle skiing, List of Olympic medalists in speed skating. ALL names are correct, so why not do the same for the ice hockey list?
  • The easiest way is to use "sports-reference.com" there are all names spelt correctly.

Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, the names look much better now. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 11:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So are you withdrawing this FLRC? -- Scorpion0422 16:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, of course! I withdraw the FLRC as the names are good now! Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 00:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not to pile on, but I'd like to keep this an FL. The nominator's main issue seems to be taken care of, and the list meets all of the criteria as I see them. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLRC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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