Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was kept by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches edit
List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Notified: Gary, Juliancolton, WP:NFL, WP:RAMS, WP:WPLIST
I am nominating this for featured list removal because it fails a number of criteria:
- 1. Prose: the prose is not professional ("this time losing to the Detroit Lions in a playoff", there are a lot of colloquial terms ("openly flirted") and weasel words ("Knox was unable to recreate the magic of his earlier tenure). Dashes need fixing, season records need to have a tooltip explaining what they mean, and overall the prose reads very unencyclopedic.
- 2. Lead: the lead is excessively long, overly detailed and is tagged as such. There are also a ton of duplicate links in the lead.
- 3b. Comprehensiveness: primary issue here, the list lacks any inline citations in the lead. Sources lack consistent formatting and need to be archived. There is no need for the "List" template in Allen, Knox and Vermeil's "Accomplishments" column. The "Notes" section is almost completely unsourced.
- 4. Structure: the key needs to be reworked, as the number of coaches and winning record can be replaced with tooltips in the table. The different awards won by the coaches should be linked. The table needs to be sortable. The images need to be increased to 100px (imho) to be useful. To tone down some of the coloring in the table (which to me is I would drop the coloring for "HoF as a player" as not exactly relevant to this list.
- Accessibility: the list lacks all accessibility features expected of WP:FL today, both in the table and no alt text on the photos.
The list was nominated 15 years ago when standards were quite different, and the list went through a massive expansion of the lead that was never properly cleaned-up/sourced. These issues either need to be addressed or the article delisted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree this needs to be delisted. This is maybe the single worst case of lede expansion I've ever seen. Toa Nidhiki05 18:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if it helps, but I restored the lead as it was prior to the colossal expansion...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Gonzo_fan2007, being an avid Rams fan since they moved back to Los Angeles (I'm a native of that city and currently live in the metro area), I'm going to attempt to salvage this list. Bear in mind, I've never done any featured list work on anything sports-related outside of Olympic medal tables, and therefore I'll probably need advice. Looking at the list. I feel like the lead introduction does not need to entail the entire history of the Rams since that seems to be more appropriate on the respective team history article page and/or the season history page. Lookimg at the most recent gridiron football head coaches lists to be promoted to featured status, I think the format should look like List of Georgia Bulldogs head football coaches or List of LSU Tigers head football coaches. I think it could also begin with a brief summary of the team's location and stadium history.
- I'd like to also mention that my laptop in my new home is currently not working. So I can only do work on featured lists primarily Wednesday through Friday whem I'm at my old home. Furthermore, I'm currently working improving a few Oscar ceremonies lists (Namely, the 96th Oscar nominations list will be announced this coming Tuesday with the winners announced on March 10. I plan to submit the list for FLC in July). I also plan to help RunningTiger123 in helping get the 75th Primetime Emmy Awards to FL standards. So please be patient with me.
- --Birdienest81talk 10:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Birdienest81, there is no rush! :) take your time. If it is of any help, I recently did a self-FLRC on List of Green Bay Packers head coaches. There are also a number of other "head coaches" FLs within the WP:NFL you can take a look at it. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Gonzo_fan2007, If you want to check out the progress of me improving this list, you can track it at this sandbox. I am currently focusing on rebuilding the coaching record table, though I have done a little bit of the intro paragraphs. I don't want to mess up the table on the actual page for the sake of Rams fans who want to still view the article, and it gives me a reference point. As you can see it is based off heavily from List of Green Bay Packers head coaches. After I'm done with the table at minimum, I will archive the links and transfer the copyedited table to the main list. Then I will work on the introductory paragraphs. Let me know if you have any suggestions or if there is anyone willing to rewrite the introduction. I'm might be slow on introductory paragraphs for a subject I've not tackled yet.
- --Birdienest81talk 22:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great work Birdienest81! Feel free to take your time, I am in no rush :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Gonzo_fan2007, I've finally transferred the copy-edited version of the table from the sandbox to the actual list. As you can see, it is modeled heavily on the List of Packers head coaches. Meanwhile I have rewrote the entire intro for the list on the sandbox. I tried to brief give an overview of the team's coaching history. However, unlike the Packers who had 15 coaches in their history, the Rams have 28. Therefore the intro is one paragraph longer. If you have any suggestions on the list. Feel free to give me feedback.
- --Birdienest81talk 22:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Birdienest81, it looks a whole lot better, nice work! I'll try to do a closer review in the next few days and let you know if I notice anything :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Birdienest81, I have no more issues. Nice work in saving this one! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Birdienest81, it looks a whole lot better, nice work! I'll try to do a closer review in the next few days and let you know if I notice anything :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great work Birdienest81! Feel free to take your time, I am in no rush :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Birdienest81, there is no rush! :) take your time. If it is of any help, I recently did a self-FLRC on List of Green Bay Packers head coaches. There are also a number of other "head coaches" FLs within the WP:NFL you can take a look at it. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Closing. --PresN 01:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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