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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 09:28, 24 September 2012 [1].

Usher discography

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Nominator(s): Rayman95 (talk) 21:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after doing many, many edits I feel that the discography has the potential of being an FL. Rayman95 (talk) 21:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • You diffidently have my support, here are a few comments while reading:
  • Link his self-titled debut album in the lead

Done.

  • There is inconsistency in regards to endash "six-times" and "four times"

Done.

Done.

  • "2000 decade" ---> "2000s decade"

Done.

  • "while the album's fourth and singles singles," typo found

Done.

  • Another inconsistency found in regards to numbers "top-thirty" and "top-20"

Done.

Hope this helps with the nomination and good luck, Jonatalk to me 18:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments and support! Rayman95 (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome =) btw I created all of his albums and singles on Simple English Wikipedia based on your expansion on all of his articles. Best, Jonatalk to me 19:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Where are release dates referenced and which territory are they relevant to?

Album's have wiki links, which in itself is a reference. As for territory, the album releases are relevant to the country which they were released in first. This is how many other FL's have approached these points.

Done, added country and source.
  • "the top-40" etc, not sure you need a hyphen here.

Done, removed hyphen.

  • Don't use RIAA in the lead without expanding it first.

Done, expanded.

  • Can you make table captions unique please?

Done.

  • Is "3rd compilation album" necessary?

Done, removed.

  • Where is Numb referenced?

It's wiki linked.

Done, added reference.
  • Where is Hush referenced?

Removed, seeing how it didn't chart.

  • Where are the music videos?

Moved to Usher videography, linked in the 'See also' section of the discography. It was requested by a user who thought the discography was too long.

  • Replace spaced hyphens in the references with en-dashes.

Done.

  • Allmusic->AllMusic.

Done.

  • Avoid SHOUTING in the refs.

Not sure what you mean. If it was the bolding then i've un-bolded the text.

CAPITAL LETTERS indicates shouting. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done.
The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: You've put a lot of effort into this list. May I offer my suggestions?
  • "In this discography, music videos are included as well." – avoid WP:SELFREF. Combine this into the first sentence.

Removed sentence, as the music videos were moved to Usher videography.

  • "It ranked as the top solo album and second most successful album of the 2000s decade." - a bit subjective to cite a Decade End Chart. Precisely mention that it was number two on that chart.

Done, changed the sentence.

  • Check for consistency in wikilinking in the references. Some publishers/publications are linked ones, while others are linked multiple times.

The ones that are linked more than once are the refs that use templates, so the publishers are automatically wiki-linked. I've gone through the refs extensively for overlinking, and besides my first point, could not see any.

Removed brackets.
Thanks for the comments, I think I've addressed them. Rayman95 (talk) 22:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) Rayman95 (talk) 20:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Holiday56 (talk) 13:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Holiday56
Lead
  • "Nine compilations" could be changed to "Nine compilation albums" – to keep it consistent with the infobox and the name of the section.

Done.

  • "break-through" → "breakthrough"

Done.

  • "...his first US number-one hit "Nice & Slow." – Perhaps "first US number-one hit" could be changed to "first number-one hit on the US Billboard Hot 100". This would keep it consistent with the rest of the lead, which uses "Hot 100" multiple times.

Done.

  • "while the second single" → "while its second single"

Done.

  • "its three US singles..." → This phrase implies that "Hey Daddy (Daddy's Home)", "Lil Freak" and "There Goes My Baby" were only released in the US, despite the fact that the articles for the former two singles indicate that they were released in countries outside of the US – "Hey Daddy (Daddy's Home)" in the UK and "Lil Freak" in Canada. The phrase may also confuse readers into thinking that "OMG" and "More" were not released in the US.

They were only released in the US. Other charting positions come from digital downloads from the respective countries. "Hey Daddy" has no information saying it charted in the UK on its main article, neither does "Lil Freak" in Canada. I changed "other singles" to "international singles" as this denotes that both "OMG" and "More" were released everywhere, including the US.

Just because a single did not chart in a territory does not necessarily mean that it was not released in that territory. Check out the release history sections for both articles. The lead for "Lil Freak" even reads: "...was released as the second single from the album in the United States and Canada on March 2, 2010." Holiday56 (talk) 13:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've altered the sentence so it doesn't sound like the single's were released in specific territories. How does this sound: "The album was preceded by five singles: "Hey Daddy (Daddy's Home)", "Lil Freak" and "There Goes My Baby" peaked in the top 25, forty and 25 respectively on the Hot 100 chart. The album's two other singles, "OMG" and "More", achieved worldwide success, as the former topped the Hot 100." Rayman95 (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album was preceded by five singles" means that all five singles from Raymond vs. Raymond were released before the album; two of them were released after the album, however. "The album produced five singles" would be a more appropriate phrase. Holiday56 (talk) 15:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done.

Albums and singles
  • "selected chart positions, sales and certifications" → "selected chart positions, sales figures and certifications"

Done.

  • The AllMusic link used as a reference for Billboard 200 and Canadian Albums Chart peak chart positions redirects to the Usher's biography and discography page instead. You can replace the link with either the proper AllMusic link or a link from Usher's chart history on the Billboard site.

Done.

  • "The ARIA Report" → "The ARIA Report: Issue 969 (Week Commencing 22 September 2008)"

Done.

  • The Hung Medien references currently look like this:
{{cite web|url=http://australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=Usher |title=australian-charts.com – Discography Usher |publisher=Hung Medien|accessdate=November 10, 2011}}
They should be altered to look like this:
{{cite web|url=http://australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=Usher |title=Discography Usher |work=''australian-charts.com'' |publisher=Hung Medien|accessdate=November 10, 2011}}

Done.

  • "Long Play" → "Longplay"

Done.

  • "List of albums, with selected chart positions, sales figures and certifications" in the studio albums section → "List of studio albums, with selected chart positions, sales figures and certifications".

Done.

  • "List of compilations with selected details" → "List of compilation albums, with selected details"

Done.

  • "List of extended plays, with selected chart positions and sales" → "List of extended plays, with selected chart positions and sales figures"

Done.

  • "Chart Tracking" → "Chartverfolgung"

Done.

  • Chart Stats is not published by the Official Charts Company. For a more reliable reference published by the OCC, use this page.
  • "The Official Zobbel Homepage" → "Chart Log UK: U2 – Utopia"

Done.

  • Fix an inconsistency regarding the way Zobbel entries updates are formatted. For "Lil Freak" and "There Goes My Baby", the title is listed as "Chart Log UK: New Entries Update"; for "First Dance", the title is listed as "Chart Log UK – 3.04.2010 (wk12)". Either include the issue dates (like the way "First Dance" is referenced) or not.

Done.

  • "Scroll down to Usher" isn't necessary.

Done.

  • "SUI" → "SWI"

Done.

  • "Can U Get Wit It" → "Can U Get wit It"

Done.

  • References are needed for the UK chart positions of "Can U Get wit It" and "Lemme See".

Done.

My bad. The UK #91 position for "Can U Get wit It" is already referenced in "Chart Log UK: U2 – Utopia". You can restore the position; just update the Zobbel reference to indicate that is being used to reference both "There Goes My Baby" and "Can U Get wit It". Holiday56 (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done.

  • Usher is not a featured artist on "Same Girl"; he and R. Kelly share lead artist credit.

Done.

  • "DJ Khaled featuring Usher, Young Jeezy, Rick Ross, and Drake" → remove serial comma, to be consistent with the rest of the article.

Done.

  • "Somebody to Love (Remix)" → "Somebody to Love" (Remix)

Done.

  • "Enrique Iglesias & Usher" → "Enrique Iglesias and Usher"

Done.

  • Add will.i.am as a featured artist on "What's Your Name".

Done.

  • Usher is not a featured artist on "Same Girl" and "Dirty Dancer", so perhaps they could be moved up to the singles section (i.e. "No Air" on Chris Brown discography and "Princess of China" on Rihanna discography, both featured lists). Either that, or a new section could be created for them.

Done, moved to lead artist section.

Done.

Promotional singles
  • "List of promotional singles, with selected chart positions" → "List of promotional singles, with selected chart positions, showing year released and album name"

Done.

  • "Papers" is listed as a full single on its article, but only as a promotional single on this article – any reason for this?

On its main article, it is noted as a "buzz single" so a promotional single. Also, on its album page Raymond v. Raymond it is not list as an official single.

Other charted songs
  • "List of non-single songs, with selected chart positions" → "List of non-single songs, with selected chart positions, showing year released and album name"

Done.

Album appearances
  • Perhaps a change to "other appearances"? An album appearance can refer to any song that has appeared on an album, which technically means all of Usher's singles could be included.

Done.

  • "List of non-single songs with album appearances by Usher" → "List of non-single album appearances, with other performing artists, showing year released and album name"

Done.

  • "The Christmas Song" → "The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)"

Done.

  • "If I Ain't Got You (Remix)" → "If I Ain't Got You" (Remix)

Done.

  • Dirty Money should be added as a performer for "Looking for Love" in the other appearances section.

Done.

Soundtrack appearances
  • The soundtrack appearances section should be made a sub-section of the album appearances section. Soundtrack albums are still albums.

Done.

  • "List of soundtrack songs, with performers and source film" → "List of soundtrack songs, with other performers and source film"

Done.

  • "Movie" → "Film"

Done.

Notes
  • All Billboard API links are dead. They need to be replaced with Billboard.biz links; this search engine will be helpful.

Done.

  • "Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles – Issue Date: 2012-06-09" → "Bubbling Under Hot 100 – Issue Date: 2012-06-09"

Done.

  • Remove "XML" from the reference for the Bubbling Under position of "Fed Up".

Done.

  • Why not use a more easily accessible reference for the Bubbling Under position of "Here I Stand"? ([2])

Done.

  • "Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Singles – Issue Date" → "Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Songs – Issue Date"

Done.

External links
  • Usher's AllMusic link in the external links section needs to be updated (new URL).

Done.
Holiday56 (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Holiday56 (talk) 13:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 03:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Unlink studio albums per WP:OVERLINK
  • Same goes for live albums, singles

TBrandley 01:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand, could you be a bit more specific please. Rayman95 (talk) 07:45, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unlink above terms per WP:OVERLINK. Regards, TBrandley 13:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In the lead? Rayman95 (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes. Regards, TBrandley 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done.


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