Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 00:41, 25 January 2009 [1].

Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award edit

This is a list that can be found in any self-respecting sports almanac, but it won't be as good as you'll find here (at least I hope not). After a mad dash to get this ready, I believe it meets the FLC standards. It's had a peer review, where the reviewers seemed to think highly of it. As usual, I will be here to address comments and suggestions. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - although their could be some stability problems due to the Super Bowl right around the corner, I don't think it will get much attention that stability will be a problem. I also peer reviewed the article and it is up to WP:WIAFL standards. Go Ravens!--Tru co 00:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I also peer reviewed the article, and can vouch for the strength of the prose. Stability shouldn't be a problem, as the list is good enough that a single row with the next MVP should be added. Go whichever of the Australian punters makes the Super Bowl! Aptery gial 00:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Excellent list, PR comment addressed, though is there any photo better than that low-quality one of Montana? Maybe a photo of the Pete Rozelle Trophy? Reywas92 ^Talk 02:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we have a free photo of the Rozelle Trophy. If we did, that would be in the lead, but without one, I thought the only three-time winner should be pictured there. If you want, I can reduce the size from 250 pixels to 225 or lower. Maybe that would help. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, just something better than that low quality photo. No matter what size it is it doesn't look very good. Maybe a photo of the most recent winner, or anything else? Reywas92 ^Talk 21:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few free pictures of Eli Manning, the most recent winner. Do any of them look better to you? In any case, I want to keep a photo of Montana in the article. I know some of the pictures aren't the greatest, but that's one of the drawbacks that comes with a free encyclopedia. We just have to make the best of it, and a photo of the only three-time winner should be included if avaliable. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See below. Giants2008 (17-14) 02:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I would say reduce the size of the Montana photo.—Chris! _ct 04:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Rambo's Revenge

Comments - I looked hard but problems are far and few between.

Reduce the Joe Montana image resolution to be the same as the other images.

Note [c], should be next to Harvey Martin's name as well.

It doesn't really matter at the moment, but in the future it might be more sensible to treat the co-MVP's as having ½ an award each, giving the Cowboys a tally of 6. This would make sense as if the Steelers of 49ers won the MVP again IMO they should be listed as having the same number of wins as the Cowboys.

The Peyton Manning image looks isolated and has no real relevence to the "By position" table. Consider stacking the image with the others.

Lots of citations need a "publisher", I count over 30 that don't have one.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I took the forced sizing out; it's optional anyway. I do think the photo looks better in a smaller size, although I wish we had a picture of the trophy for the lead.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to use a note multiple times. Is there a function like ref name that I don't know about?
I'll think about that, since the Steelers are the favorites this year.
I placed a quarterback photo by that table because quarterbacks have won the award so often. I did move it and resort the photos by the date that the players won the award.
Most of the references used are newspaper or magazine articles, and I'm using the work parameter of the cite templates to force italics. Therefore, I don't think the publisher parameter is needed. Giants2008 (17-14) 15:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the note issue, there a lots of different ways with different note templates, but for {{ref label}} (the one currently in use) you can add it as many times as necessary. I have done this for you. If you desire each note to have an individual backlink give me a shout and I can point you to a different notation method that does this.

Shout. :-) I would like to know how this is done, since the hyperlink by the note only goes to the first use. There are only four notes, so it won't be too much trouble.

See your talk page. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the publisher field, "work" is not the same as "publisher". For example The New York Times is the work, but The New York Times Company is the publisher. A publisher field is quite a common requirement for references both here an at FAC too. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't really like adding the publishers, since I believe they clog up the references, but I did add them for all printed publications. Let me know if any more are needed. Giants2008 (17-14) 18:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to wait and see what other people think on this one. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Excellent list. On the photo issue, I am fine with Montana in the as the only 3 time winner, but a better photo of either Eli Manning or one of the two time winners may be preferable. Regardless, the Montana photo should remain in the article. Rlendog (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I put a picture of Eli in the lead, which I think is quite good. That was really a tough decision for me. :-) Montana's photo is now on the right side of the tables with the others. Giants2008 (17-14) 02:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

WP:CAPTION, image captions that are full sentences should have periods at the end.
- This is hard because the captions really straddle the line between sentences and fragments. I added stops to two captions; please let me know if any more are needed.
  - Hm, I thought it would be easy to see which are sentences and which are fragements. In a nutshell, complete sentences have a subject, which completes or is completing an action (verb). Read this (hope it is not too below your level). Dabomb87 (talk) 02:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Here is an example of an incorrectly punctuated caption: "Tom Brady, the MVP of Super Bowls XXXVI and XXXIII." The subject is "Tom Brady", but there is no verb; therefore, it is not a sentence and should not have a period. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:55, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - You do know that I'm a college student, right? We don't deal with too many photo captions in our English classes. :-) I think I got them all right this time. Of course, most of them were correct to begin with. Don't know how that happened. :-) Giants2008 (17-14) 17:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - No offense, I didn't know how else to explain the difference between fragments and sentences. :) Anyway, I fixed the rest of the captions. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The winner is chosen by a fan vote during the game, and by a panel of 16 American football writers and broadcasters who vote after the game. " No comma needed.
- Removed.
"Ottis Anderson was the first player to win the trophy."-->Ottis Anderson was the first player to have won the trophy.
- Changed it to "Ottis Anderson was the first player who won the trophy."
  - Seems a bit wordy, why not just "Ottis Anderson was the first to win the trophy." After all, only players can win the trophy. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Changed to your wording. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Joe Montana is the only player to win three Super Bowl MVP awards"-->Joe Montana is the only player to have won three Super Bowl MVP awards
- Done.
Fix the edit bunching near the bottom the article. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I needed two tries to fix this one, because the edit preview screen doesn't have edit links to test. Some reshuffling of the photos was needed, and I had to remove the Jerry Rice photo due to lack of room. Note that I have a former Dallas Cowboys player in By team, and a quarterback in By position. I left these in to cut down on white space. Giants2008 (17-14) 01:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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