Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Serie A Coach of the Year/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Serie A Coach of the Year edit

Featured list candidates/Serie A Coach of the Year/archive1

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 11:15, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled on this when browsing for potential FLCs, and it had about two lines of prose and a few refs, and a table. So I expanded it out considerably, and hope that it now matches the community's expectations of what a featured list should be like. As ever I will cover all comments here as soon as practicable. Yes, I have a nom and a co-nom running, but the former has two supports and the latter one, and neither are anything like this one, so there should be no read-across problems here. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:15, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

"The award is part of the Gran Galà del Calcio (former Oscar del Calcio) awards event" - not very clear. Are these two different names for the same event? Two different events? When did the name change? Also, this isn't mentioned in the body of the article
"Only two non-Italians have won the award, Sven-Göran Eriksson became the first in 2000, while José Mourinho was the first foreign coach ever to win the award twice." - first comma should probably be a semi-colon, or even a sentence break. Mourinho bit does not need the word "ever"
"yet lost Champions League Final to "perennial German underdogs"" => "but lost the....."
Internazionale in the tables but Inter in the History section?
In the "By nationality" section, the Special One's name is spelt incorrectly

Think that's it......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:49, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ChrisTheDude all address I hope, thanks for your interest and comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I still think you need to mention the awards ceremony in the main body of the article as well as the lead............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm not sure. The "main body" is the history of the winners. There's not much more to add beyond the lead. It would look odd to suddenly start talking about the awards ceremony there, don't you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I tried crowbarring it in, what thinketh you? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me, happy to support now. I was just going on the rule/policy/guideline that nothing should be in the lead that isn't also in the body...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Not a problem. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good with all the expansion. (I am also a regular editor of the page). Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support prose looks all good..found a typo but just corrected it myself..only issue (and a nondealbreaker really) is I did wonder whether it was worth including any rationales for when a coach won the award whose team did not win the title (eg Ancelotti in 00-01) - just a sentence here or there..Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cas, thanks for your comments (and correction). I've tried to objectively include why the coach may have been selected (e.g. Coppa Italia wins, Champions League etc), but the award has no citation attached so any claimed rationale would be OR. In Ancelotti's case, it's an odd one. Italian clubs were terrible in the Champion's League that season, and while Roma won Serie A, they were only mediocre in the the UEFA Cup, so I guess on balance, Ancelotti's second place combined with limited progress in the CL put him marginally ahead of Capello. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:44, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I figured that was the case (that any real speculation of why would be OR as the judges wouldn't be saying..), as it would be in various "player of the year" awards I know about here in Oz, hence why said nondealbreaker...but in an ideal world. Anyway, it is a nice read and has come out fine with nothing to complain about. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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