Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Registrar of the University of Oxford/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 21:58, 14 September 2010 [1].

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Registrar of the University of Oxford

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Nominator(s): Bencherlite^Talk 23:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's been a while since I bored you with an FLC on the theme of the University of Oxford, so here we go - my summer holiday work.

A job with a 550-year history? Tick. No article on Wikipedia until I started this one? Tick. No article giving the same basic information (let alone the added detail) anywhere on the internet or in print? Tick. Nicely linked from existing articles? Tick. Six articles on Registrars written to remove redlinks? Tick, at no extra charge. Completely necessary mention of Peterhouse, Cambridge in the article and here to get the attention of User:The Rambling Tab? Tick. Violence? Tick. Extortionate fees charged to students? Tick. A piece of Wikipedia's very best work? (Well, you know what I think...)

What might you be thinking as you read this? Not enough images? Well, I've found one hidden on Commons and uploaded the only other free one I could find. Registrars, it seems, were shy people and / or too busy to pose for portraits... There's a problem with new thumbnails at the moment, apparently, so do not adjust your set if (like me) two of the images aren't appearing and you can only see trees. Blacklinked names, not even redlinks? Well, if they didn't get into the Dictionary of National Biography, "Who's Who" / "Who Was Who" or have a Times obituary, I'm struggling to see how much of an article could be written about them, beyond the info I give here. Is it complete? I think that all I need is confirmation of which college Alan Dorey attended as a student, which I hope to track down this week at the Guildhall Library, and then I think the details are finalised. As for the names before 1508 that would complete the 550-year history, if the university doesn't publish a fuller list of names, and if the other sources only mention a couple of people between the mid-1400s and 1508, then I don't think there's much more we can do about it. Enjoy, review! Bencherlite^Talk 23:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 07:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 09:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, the images are now working but I've removed this image of Julie Maxton because, well, it's not exactly great. Thoughts? Bencherlite^Talk 09:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support list, the closest I've seen to Sturmvogel class so far, and removal of grumpy picture with the bizarre file name. Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest PR} 17:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Though the current image is better than leafy trees, there is no source that painter J. Bridge died before 1940. Sandman888 (talk) 10:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• All that I could find was that he was active between 1818 and 1854, so definitely dead by 1940. Added to image description page. Bencherlite^Talk 09:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Courcelles 03:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

*Comments "The current Registrar, Julie Maxton, was appointed in 2006 and is the first women to hold the position;" First, emdashes for the commas, second, women? Typo fixed. Looking at MOS:EMDASH, I don't think emdashes are required, as they make too much of a "break" in the sentence for the reader. "The position carried an annual salary of four marks;" If the source puts this in marks, at least convert to Sterling. (I think it is 2 Pounds 13s 4d, but don't quote me on that....) Source uses marks. I get the same conversion as you; added. "Registrar no longer received personally fees paid by students" Would this read better with received and personally flipped? Yes, done. "first women" is repeated down here. If this is a Commonwealth thing I'm not familiar with, so be it, but it reads strange to have a single individual called the "first women" Copy-n-paste typo from body to lead fixed here. Ref 41, don't use abbreviations for months. Ref 51 fixed. ("Who's Who" online has a ready-made citation for each entry, and I sometimes overlook the abbreviation when making it Wikipedia-friendly.) Courcelles 15:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Thanks for your review. Hope it's looking better for you now. BencherliteTalk 15:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support Courcelles 03:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Tab Now then, the predominant feature of the lead image is a pair of trees, while the caption claims "Some... buildings". While it's ... interesting ... it shouldn't be the lead image. Bliss works much better for me, adds a load of gravitas to the list and is actually directly relevant to the content of the list. Agree entirely. Would you believe it, that was the only image of Wellington Square I could find anywhere - Flickr, Geograph and Commons? Dreadful, isn't it? Style corner (SC): "acting (according to the university's statutes) as the" I would prefer "who, according to the university's statutes, acts as the..." Taking style tips from TRM? Gosh, I must be having a bad day! SC ii: "Council (its main decision-making body)." just follow Council with a comma and continue without the parentheses. Fair enough. "a law professor from Oxford " picky, but I'm assuming you mean he's a prof at Oxon, not necessarily from Oxford? Reworded Don't see a huge need to re-link Registrar in the "History and duties" section. I tend to link once in the lead and once thereafter, save for repeated links in sortable tables. S'okay. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC) "carrying out similar tasks in the 15th century" well, just because London died in 1508, it doesn't mean he wasn't alive, well, kicking and registraring in 1499 does it? It's not a reference to London; clarified. Consider linking "Bachelor of Arts", "Masters degree" etc ('cos I've got 'em!) Show-off... Picky: "and there was until then no diary" would prefer comma after was and then. Your wish is my something Forgive me. You have a column entitled "College as Registrar". What do you mean? This is the first mention of College in the list... Added a sentence. Now then. NOW THEN. You have deliberately inserted a fundamental error here. "Peterhouse College". Is that some kind of joke? Will this do? Holy ..... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC) There is a bot that has permission to fix these completely wrong redirects, so adding that template to the redirect does have a point... Any chance that any of the unlinked Reg's are actually notable enough to have an article? Are you trying to avoid writing articles? Are you trying to cheat us? No, no and no. As I said in my nom statement, I've written all the articles where I think notability is established. Will complete this later. BencherliteTalk 18:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Ok, ok, ok. Just chancing my arm. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Publication dates. While I'm enchanted, not sure we need the day of the week those Times articles were published, unless you consider it vital to the verifiability of the list....! Was using {{cite newspaper The Times}} which allows this info, but have removed it as it's on the trivial side. Would consider making Foster a general ref, therefore giving you a luxury of just say Foster, pp xx–xy rather than repeat everything about the tome every time. Good idea... and done. Issue numbers that list into the tens of thousands, consider adding a comma separator? Added Foster's dates (by the way) go 1891–92 while all other year ranges in the article seem to have 1891–1892 style. Yes, I'm inconsistent and proud. "Said Business School" should be "Saïd Business School" OK. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Ok, what d'ya reckon now? BencherliteTalk

• Support once again, no surprises for me, initially very poor but now excellent. Despite the flaws that only I will ever see and have to live with, this is a nice piece of work, and interesting too. Bonus. Good work B'lite. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Go and play with your Tractor Boys, TRM, and leave us hard-working penniless lawyers in peace... Many thanks for spending the time wrecking reviewing this list. Bencherlite^Talk 20:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
    • I see you've made a lame legalistic attempt to master markup. For this, we are all grateful. Move along. As ever, a sheer joy to cross swords....! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• For the record, I've now been to the library and found the missing info about Alan Dorey. Bencherlite^Talk 13:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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