Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NBA Rookie of the Year Award

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:50, 22 July 2008 [1].

NBA Rookie of the Year Award edit

I am nominating with Chrishomingtang because I think this list does meet featured list criteria. Annoyomous 24 02:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If they're all Americans (except Pau Gasol), why even have that category? Wouldn't the space be better spent to display some information that could be more beneficial to a reader? JKBrooks85 (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite understand whar you are saying. Are you saying that the sentence concerning Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan should be remove?—Chris! _ct 23:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think JKBrooks85 is asking why the "Nationality" column is required if all fields, except 2, are the same. I'll go even further and question its relevancy. How does nationality of an individual factor into awarding the NBA Rookie of the Year Award, or why is it important to individually note everyone's nationality to understand the award over time? --maclean 02:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the "Nationality" column is relevant because it reflects the diversity of the NBA over time. Remember that the NBA is an American basketball league and there weren't as much foreign players back then as today. So, in order to inform readers about that difference, it is good to have the "Nationality" column in the table.—Chris! _ct 20:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems kind of random, though. Why not include other peripheral stats, like age? --maclean 23:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In sports, there are national teams, so it's important to know what national team a certain player can play for/is a member of. Since they're rookies, age is irrelevant because most of them have roughly same age.--Crzy cheetah 04:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In sports, yes, but the NBA doesn't use national teams. Since there is more variation in their age than their nationality (quantitatively, at least), you could use the same logic to dismiss either. --maclean 04:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(→)All NBA players can play for their national teams. The "nationality" column shows what national team a player can play for. So when I watch the Olympic games or any international tournament, I can wait for Spain to see Gasol because I saw in this page that Gasol is from Spain. Why is it important to know the age of a player? What will change if a player is 20 or 25 or 30 years of age? --Crzy cheetah 04:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Age isn't important. It's a random statistic unique to every player that could be listed. I could have used height, shoe size, college/highschool, or All-NBA Team appearance to the same effect. My point is that age is as irrelevant to awarding the Rookie of the Year as nationality is. Chris says above that it is reflective of the diversity (or lack diversity) of the NBA over time. That is one argument, but I don't think its worth consuming a quarter of the list to point that out. --maclean 05:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In sports-related pages, whenever we mention athletes, we should mention their nationality for the reason I mentioned above. We could just put the flags next to the names to save some space, but per WP:FLAG, flags only should not be used.--Crzy cheetah 06:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- Two seasons had joint winners - this isn't explained anywhere. And presumably the row span you use for these occasions is why the list isn't sortable, unlike the other NBA lists?

Yes, that is exactly why this list is not sortable. I will add a sentence about that.—Chris! _ct 18:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done—Chris! _ct 20:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- "He represented the United States at the 1984 Summer Olympics." needs citation.

I added one—Chris! _ct 18:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- " Because of this citizenship arrangement, Duncan has played for the U.S. internationally." that logic isn't correct. He played for the US because he was good at basketball! I know what you're trying to say but it needs a little tweak...

Reworded—Chris! _ct 18:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Confused by the draft being linked in the DP col. Perhaps another col?

I will add a column.—Chris!_ct 18:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done—Chris! _ct 20:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- And what happened to the rookie from the1963 draft? Is a rookie playing in his first season? Perhaps we need to define what a "rookie" is?

Ok, I will see what I can do.—Chris! _ct 18:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done —Chris! _ct 20:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This list is a prime example why only the names should be colored. Take a look at 1970-71 row, it is confusing because this list implies that Geoff Petrie was a HoFer.--Crzy cheetah 19:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I need to talk with Chris about that. Annoyomous 24 21:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is ok if we just add a note to clarify that? Because if we only color the name here, we will have to modify all the award pages as well.—Chris! _ct 21:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd help out on modifying all the awards pages. As is, there's too much color in these awards pages anyway.--Crzy cheetah 21:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.—Chris! _ct 20:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I helped a bit on this list, and Chris and A24 finished it off. Looks good. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 16:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first time someone called me A24. Nice! Annoyomous 24 20:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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