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The list was promoted by Crisco 1492 01:18, 13 May 2015 [1].

List of songs recorded by Ricky Martin edit

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Nominator(s): — Tom(T2ME) 13:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I worked on it for five months and I really think that it satisfies the featured list criteria. The lead is long, however, here unlike on other lists on Wikipedia that I saw so far we have an artist with a career of 30 years and 150+ recorded songs. I tried to summarize his songs in five paragraphs. The table is well organized with every song marked in color to represent in what language it was recorded. Although I didn't agree (and I still don't), I opened the artists just to have the bronze star because I think this man deserves it. — Tom(T2ME) 13:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Lady Lotus edit

  • This sentence "After five years part of the band, he left it in 1989; shortly afterwards, he started persuading solo career" - it just reads funny to me. Shouldn't it be "After being with the band for five years, he left it in 1989; shortly there afterwards, he started pursuing a solo career" or something along those lines?
  • I'm not loving the photo of Daddy Yankee, only because all the other pictures are clear and have a good resolution and show the artists face well and then his looks out of place and looks blurry and has a small resolution.

That's all I could find that I'd change, I support past that :) LADY LOTUS • TALK 12:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wow thank you Lady Lotus. I copy-edited the sentence per your suggestion and replaced the Yankee picture with the only other one of his available on Wikipedia. I hope it's better. Cheers! — Tom(T2ME) 13:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment regarding accessibility, just using colours to delineate between language versions contravenes ACCESS. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How does that contravene accessibility please tell me? It only helps the list to be honest, especially when we have an artist that records in various languages and not only in English or Spanish or etc. Plus, the colors are nice and not like ones which are used to indicate that the song was a single release, as in this case. — Tom(T2ME) 12:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at WP:COLOR. The list you linked gets it right. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That list is certainly not right. But okay, clearly I have to make a consensus per this rule. What do you suggest? How should I distinguish the language of the songs? Symbols maybe? — Tom(T2ME) 12:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The list you linked certainly gets ACCESS right. That's the point I'm making. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
o.O Nevermind with that list. What do you want me to do with my list? Lorde sings only in English, Martin sings in 4 languages, I certainly want to stress that in the table, what is the point you're making, you sound vague... — Tom(T2ME) 12:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You need to familiarise yourself with WP:COLOR. It's really straightforward, the Lorde list is done correctly, using colour and another method of denoting (e.g. symbols), per COLOR. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from User:Calvin999
Resolved comments by Aaron

Comments from Aaron

  • I do think symbols would be preferable to colour coding. Some reads may not be able to distinguish between colours or may interpret the colours you see as a different colour.  — ₳aron 19:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there will be colors and symbols. I am just waiting for a user to assist me with the code for the songs, as of now you can see the quotes overlap with the symbol. — Tom(T2ME) 19:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Quite, it's perfectly acceptable to use both colours and symbols, per WP:COLOR. The more familiar you all become with MOS and WP:ACCESS, the easier these things will become in future. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man... Okay, I added symbols together with the color. I think the criteria is satisfied now.— Tom(T2ME) 23:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support  — Calvin999 09:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Erick edit

  • I really do not like the usage of arrows for the Spanish or Portuguese-language records. How about an asterisk (*) for the Spanish recordings and maybe this (^) for the Portuguese recordings? Erick (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
About the below link, the full name of the composer is Julio Reyes Copello. Fix this, and I'll give you my support. Erick (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick comment Caption for the Christina Aguilera image reads: "... was remixed with an additional vocals from Christina Aguilera." HĐ (talk) 01:49, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Magiciandude, HĐ; Erick I replaced the {{up-arrow}} with an {{asterisk}} and the {{down-arrow}} with a {{section-sign}}, I hope it's better now. HD, I c/e the caption. Thanks for the input! — Tom(T2ME) 09:25, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support now. This list looks awesome! HĐ (talk) 09:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Crisco edit

  • Oppose for now. The lead is much, much, much too long. Martin has had a very lengthy career, which makes writing a short introduction a challenge, but we have to try and be more succinct. Right now this list has 5480 characters of prose in the lead, which is 2500 characters more than any of our current FLs for songs recorded. Here's a hint: we don't need to name all of his albums in the lead. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crisco 1492 -Sighs- I knew someone would come with this request, even though he has a career of thirty long years. Okay, so I trimmed the lead down and I don't know how much characters it has now, but I hope is better. — Tom(T2ME) 07:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand the difficulty... Chrisye had a career of forty years, and 200 songs in his list (21 albums).... I'll give this a copyedit, see if I can trim some more. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, a couple suggestions: rather than increase verbiage by saying Xth studio album or Yth English album, I'd rework it so that it flows well without including the order of the albums. See if you can't highlight trends, rather than individual songs. "La Vida Loca" obviously has to be mentioned individually (and I'm sure there are a couple which are inseparable from his oeuvre), but I get the impression that there are several trends (in genre or language) that you could mention in lieu of naming individual songs or giving a detailed chronological retelling of his career; the latter thing is handled better in the article on the artist. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Crisco 1492 With all due respect about mentioning the order of the albums, his discography is complex and can make people easily confuse with it. He transitioned with albums from different languages and I think that should be stressed. Tbh, if we talk about WW trends, apart of "Livin' la Vida Loca", Ricky Martin (1999), "She Bangs" and Sound Loaded I can't find anything other to stress, that's the reason that third paragraph is the biggest. And at the end of the day it's not same as you would write in the biography, here I mention the songs which were part of the release and who wrote them. In a biography, u would usually also add the commercial and critical performance, awards and impact so it makes it kinda different. Also I don't see the lead being any different from other list of songs by artist X/Y/Z. — Tom(T2ME) 08:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know it's not the same as writing a biography; hence why I said "a detailed chronological retelling of his career ... is handled better in the article on the artist." The problem is that this list's lead is still a thousand characters longer than anything else previously promoted, and without an MOS that actually talks about lead length for lists (WP:LEADLENGTH is only for standard articles), that's all we have to refer to. Several of the songs articles are for singers with one, two, or three albums; someone with Martin's lengthy career needs a different approach. If you insist on using this approach, it's feasible that you can knock it back another 400 or 500 characters. Just removing the songs which don't have articles will save another 200, and less name-dropping of languages (not saying you shouldn't state the languages at all, but ten mentions of "Spanish" and six of English" is a bit much) will save more. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the disambiguation. I cut the language word and I don't know what more should I cut. How many characters are there so far? — Tom(T2ME) 17:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


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