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List of songs recorded by Nicki Minaj edit

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Nominator(s):  — AARON • TALK 16:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I feel the list meets the criteria. She has a lot of songs and it has taken a long time to input all the entries. I would like some feedback on the lead though. I don't know if others might feel that I should cut down the amount of info about each album paragraph to make way for a paragraph about the songs on which she has been featured by others. Thanks.  — AARON • TALK 16:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments I think author info could be displayed in refs 17, 20, and a date for ref 9 would be nice. In ref 11, MTV should be MTV News, but not linked. Also, not sure if you would need to do this for a FL but for ref 4, the author and date should come before the title. The author and date should be displayed like this "Lazerine, Devin (October 28, 2010)." Overwise, I'll Support this for now. EditorEat ma talk page up, scotty! 17:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've done everything, but Devin Lazerine is the publisher, not the author, so his name should not be at the start. Thanks for your support :-)  — AARON • TALK 10:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Looks great! I would just fixed the wikilink for Buzz Media to Spin Media – Underneath-it-All (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I'm amazed by its content's quality, why don't you try to enhance other R&B artists list of songs. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 21:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I've already done 7 other lists like this. Currently doing Whitney's.  — AARON • TALK 21:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd really appreciate if you do any of this amazing jobs on Destiny's Child discography. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 03:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I do know someone who started the songs lists for Beyoncé and Destiny's Child.  — AARON • TALK 09:40, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Just 2 things: Los Angeles Times should have its publisher in brackets, and I'm confused, is Rap-Up's publisher Devin Lazerine, Rap-Up, LLC, or SPIN Music Group? Its article body states Lazerine, its infobox shows Rap-Up, LLC, and its website states "SPIN Music Group, a division of BUZZMEDIA". Et3rnal 22:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I've always known Rap-Up's publisher to be Devin Lazerine, as that is what I was told it was, so that's what I've always used.  — AARON • TALK 09:40, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ah ok, might as well leave it at that then. Et3rnal 10:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Quick comments
  • Image caption doesn't need a full stop.
  • "with others" -> "with other performers"
  • "Minaj wrote the songs "Roman's Revenge" and "Here I Am" in collaboration with producer Swizz Beatz. American rapper Eminem is a featured artist on the former.[3]" why not "Minaj wrote the songs "Roman's Revenge" (which featured American rapper Eminem) and "Here I Am" in collaboration with producer Swizz Beatz.[3]"?
  • "alter-ego's" no need for an apostrophe.
  • " Grammy Award winning" -> " Grammy Award-winning"
  • Link Bajan.
  • " inspirational ballad" who said it was inspirational?
    • The author of the article.  — AARON • TALK 10:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • You should state that and put it in quotes, otherwise it's hardly neutral in tone. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:08, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • J.R. Rotem has no spaces in his J. R.
  • "re-released ... released" in the same sentence is clunky.
  • "a running theme" what's the difference between a running theme and a theme?
    • Lasts for the duration I suppose. A theme could be one of many. A running theme is just one.  — AARON • TALK 10:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref. should be Ref(s)
  • Why is Alicia Keys sorting by A, not K? Check all others.
  • And why isn't Keys linked? It's a sortable table.

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "'Roman's Revenge' references both artist's alter egos". Apostrophe should be moved to after the s.
  • Apostrophe needed after Trey Songz in his photo caption. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • So: Minaj is a guest vocalist on Trey Songz, (pictured) song "Bottoms Up". ? That doesn't make sense.  — ₳aron 20:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I said apostrophe, not comma, as in "Trey Songz' song" or maybe "Trey Songz's song". Giants2008 (Talk) 00:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - mostly on sourcing and comprehensiveness

  • Suggest linking mixtape
  • "Trinidadian-American rapper Nicki Minaj has recorded songs for two studio albums, one re-issue and three mix tapes, some of which were collaborations with other performers." - ambiguous. Are these "some of" the songs or the "two studio albums, one re-issue and three mixtapes"?
    • Some songs are collaborations with other artists, on her albums and others.  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the purpose of note 1, especially after the opening sentence, which states nothing about songwriting?
    • Yes it does. Her stage name is Nicki Minaj, her songwriting credit name is sometimes Onika Maraj or Onika Tanya Maraj, which is her birth name. The table of contents uses Onika Maraj, as that is the name in her booklet. BMI sometimes uses the former, sometimes the latter. So it does actually have everything to do with her songwriting. It was suggested that I do this. It explains why Onika Maraj is used in the TOC.  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps include this in the "Writers" cell then. Adabow (talk) 02:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the source for the single releases? Are you piggybacking off the linked articles; if so, the release of "5 Star Bitch" in that article is unsourced (the remix is actually described as a promo single). This is the main reason for my oppose.
    • "5 Star Bitch" isn't the focus here as Minaj is not on it. She is on "5 Star" (Remix), which can't be a promo single because it is available to download here, and as I'm sure you know, promo singles are free.  — ₳aron
      • My point is that the single releases are unsourced in this list. Adabow (talk) 00:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • How do you suggest I source all the singles as singles?  — ₳aron 10:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Press releases, purchase information, radio data - the same way that single releases are verified in any other article. Adabow (talk) 02:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Turn Me On" is actually on PF:RR, and not the Re-Up.
    • Corrected.  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There seems to be quite a few holes here. "Massive Attack" sticks out to me off the top of my head. Performances as part of Young Money should be linked to, if not included (eg We Are Young Money). Mixtapes are mentioned in the opening sentence, but there are no songs from them listed here.
    • Who do you suggest I incorporate "Massive Attack" and Young Performances? Basically "BedRock". Only Beam Me Up Scotty (mixtape) has an article, but there are no writers available. If I include, 23 songs will have the N/A template for the songwriter column. If I can't source the writers as there is no booklet, how do I in turn source the song?  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't understand what you mean by the first two sentences of your reply. Not including items means the list fails 3a. There are other sources besides the album liners. While I'm on this point, I hope you've actually cited where you read it, not just taking WP articles for their word and citing the relevant album liners. Adabow (talk) 00:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I meant "Where do you suggest". Have "Massive Attack" and Young Money performances as a separate paragraph at the start? Every writer in this list is attributed to the corresponding album booklet or to BMI. If I haven't got the booklet myself, I've acquired scans from online. The most time consuming part of this list is checking all the writers for each song.  — ₳aron 10:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • In the list, just like every other song. Adabow (talk) 21:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also see entries at Nicki Minaj discography#Guest appearances. Adabow (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • .The Lonely Island sorts before Alicia Keys, but 'L' comes after 'K'.
    • Corrected.  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Press Conference" isn't actually a song, but rather an interview. I realise that it is listed on the track listing and can technically be considered a song; I think it should either be removed or be accompanied by a footnote.
    • Why are there featured artists, writers and producers credited then?  — ₳aron 10:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Because other artists feature on the interview. Adabow (talk) 00:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adabow (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

        • Okay. I didn't realise it was an interview. I've removed it.  — ₳aron 10:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose — In terms of referencing and table formatting this list seems solid, but I have concerns over whether this is a comprehensive listing of Minaj's body of work. As Adabow brought up:

  • None of Minaj's mixtape work appears in the list.
  • Over one half of Minaj's featured appearances are omitted from this article. Some noticeable holes include DJ Khaled's "Take It to the Head", Drake's "Make Me Proud", French Montana's "Freaks", Justin Bieber's "Beauty and a Beat", and a lot more that I can name from the top of my head.

And some minor quibbles:

  • Some background on Minaj's early mixtapes could be added to the lead.
  • Was "Champion" released as a single? It's only listed as a song in its article.
  • I think a better pipelink for "Fireball" would be "[[Willow Smith#Discography|Fireball]]"
  • If we have the Cheryl Cole remix of "Check It Out" listed here, then I don't see why we can't also list the Lil Wayne remix of "Roman's Revenge" (which was released as a single).
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to oppose for now based mainly on the comprehensiveness issue. You've done some good work on this, but I feel that there's still a whole lot more to be added. Holiday56 (talk) 07:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delegate comment: To Adabow and Holiday56: Are all of your concerns addressed, or your opposes still stand? And if they still stand, why? I want to make sure nothing is left behind to make up my mind on promoting/archiving this candidacy. Regards. — ΛΧΣ21 00:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My oppose still stands due to there being unsourced statements (eg single/promo single releases) and incomprehensiveness ("Massive Attack", for one). Adabow (talk) 00:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that my oppose will still have to stand for now, as I don't believe my concerns over comprehensiveness have been fully addressed. Not that this isn't good work, but the list strikes me as not meeting 3a of the criteria due to the lack of mixtape recordings and multiple featured appearances. Holiday56 (talk) 08:59, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Adabow and Holiday56, for the prompt response. I will close this now. — ΛΧΣ21 06:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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