Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Jimi Hendrix/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 15:12:24 17 May 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of songs recorded by Jimi Hendrix edit

Nominator(s): Ojorojo (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC) and zmbro _(talk) 15:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another installment in Jimi Hendrix lists (Jimi Hendrix discography, Jimi Hendrix videography) that I also hope to become a FL. It's gone through a couple versions and I feel this is by far the best. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts from zmbro

After looking over the page, in its current state, I don't think this is FL quality yet. While the table looks good (for the most part), the lead is just a mess.

For one, the second sentence starts with "This list", which we just don't do for FLs.

The lead itself shouldn't be self-referencing, i.e. "of the titles listed" and "the songs are first listed" (which should belong in a note in the table)

The third paragraph has zero references and is a mess in general
The lead itself makes no mention of the actual music, meaning what Hendrix's sound was, how he played the guitar, and overall what he did to and for the guitar. In a song list, that's honestly essential, especially for a person like Hendrix.

Going along with the above comment, it only focuses on the songs in general, different titles, and the groups he was in, but again, makes no mention of the music.

Why is "single" lowercase in every instance in the table?
Some of the footnotes aren't referenced
All the alternate titles should have references, as all the album references definitely don't have both or every title (i.e. "Third Stone from the Sun" on Are You Experienced vs. "3rd Stone from the Sun")
The list could benefit from having more than just the one photo of the Experience

Ojorojo These are all my problems with this. I think this nomination should be put on hold for the time being or withdrawn until these issues are resolved; I'm sure other editors would agree with me. If you need help I'll try as best I can but you're obviously way more knowledgeable of Hendrix than I am. – zmbro _(talk) 05:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Ojorojo

This is BS – first Zmbro wanted to added as a nominator and now they want to tank it. If the lead is "just a mess", why have they done absolutely nothing to improve it during their numerous edits? There seems to be an WP:OWNERSHIP issue here. But rather than play some stupid game, I am withdrawing this nomination. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo My apologies I didn't mean to come off that rude. It's obviously not a "mess," but I do think it could use some improving. I had actually planned on expanding the lead back in December but after I finishing filling in all the references in the table I took a break and got distracted by other projects. I'm sorry if I upset you, I didn't mean to insult you in any way. I was just trying to give suggestions on how to make it better. It's come a long way from this, and as I said here, this list does have the potential to become an FL, but in its current state, I don't think it warrants the star. As you said above, it'd be awesome to have all of Hendrix's list become featured, and I'd love to work with you on achieving that. Again, I'm sorry if I came off as rude and upset you, as that was certainly not my intention. – zmbro _(talk) 04:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zmbro's recent edits to the list aren't supported by the the cited sources and were reverted.[2] If they really wanted to see the list succeed, they would have taken a very different approach. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For that, I was going with the titles those songs' respective pages say, as well as what the albums' (AYE and Axis) respective pages say. Maybe the best way to go about this is list each song's best known title, even if it's the original or not; mainly since, in the case of "Third Stone" and "If 6 Was 9", those titles seem to be the most known, especially since their respective pages are titled that way and not the other. – zmbro _(talk) 18:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment one minor criterion at FLC is an element of article stability. It seems clear to me that this current nomination is demonstrating a complete lack of stability. I would suggest withdrawing and working out the clear grievances before re-nominating at FLC. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Director comment – It looks like there haven't been any edits for a few days now. Ojororo, if you still want the FLC withdrawn, I'll archive it over the weekend when I make my next FLC run-through. Please note that The Rambling Man is correct in saying that stability is part of the FL criteria. We want to allow for article improvements to take place during FLC, as dramatic changes are sometimes needed to resolve reviewers' concerns and we don't want to punish editors for putting work into nominated articles. However, when it comes to actual edit warring, that can cause a list to fail the stability criterion. You and Zmbro should probably discuss the issues raised before a renomination, so that the stability criterion is not a factor next time. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, which is why I decided to withdraw the nomination. Zmbro did not make any comments during the last two months that I was editing the list and submitted it for peer review, with the stated intent of making it a FLC. Then, after I nominated it, they wanted to be a co-nominatior, which which I readily agreed to. But soon after I added them,[3] they essentially sabotaged it. —Ojorojo (talk) 23:18, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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