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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 14:39, 21 July 2011 [1].

List of songs in Rock Band 3 edit

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Nominator(s): –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... erm... I think it meets the criteria. :) It has a well-defined scope (the songs on the Rock Band 3 disc), good prose (in my opinion), a lead which explains what the list is, and it looks nice. I recently added in the images which are next to the list as a way of making the article look more appealing than just a list... although the images are just of the artist, and not necessarily related to thee in-game song beyond that. If people in the discussion feel that they should be removed, I don't really mind. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to borrow from the RB3 reception to talk about the critical response to the setlist, since that can be discussed in depth. Also, it may be worthwhile in talking about the DLC that HMX has considered Rock Band (and RB3 itself) to be a game platform that they can support indefinitely with songs, and while they are't pushing an RB4 out this year. --MASEM (t) 22:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Adding reception would make sense, sure. I'll try and add something later today or tomorrow. The way that HMX considers the series to be a "platform" seems like it belongs more in the Rock Band 3 and Rock Band (series) articles to me, though. I wanted to make the DLC section in this article focus specifically on what can be used in RB3 and what RB3-specific DLC is like, rather than discussing DLC for the platform as a whole, since that is (or should be) discussed in the series article and Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 12:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added in a short section for reception. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Announcements: "The full setlist list was formally announced on August 25th on the Rock Band website." Don't think you need to put "list" if "setlist" is right behind it. Also, the th should be removed from 25th.
  • In the Queen photo caption, get rid of the contraction (isn't).
  • Downloadable songs: "Downloadable songs since the game's release includes, when appropriate...". "includes" → "include"?
  • Is it Pro Guitar or Pro guitar? I see the former in the table notes and the latter in the downloadable songs section.
  • The archived link for reference 22 isn't showing up. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • done. Looks like the archive error was a copy-and-paste mistake. Anyways, I'm using "Pro Guitar" now because that seems to be how Harmonix capitalizes it at this page of their website. If that goes against the MOS or anything, I'd be happy to change it back. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 17:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The formatting of the Track_listing section should be fixed. The long vertical list of images doesn't make sense in context and ruins layout. Maybe a gallery would be better? Diego Moya (talk) 14:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input! I think as a gallery it wouldn't look very good; how nice it looks probably depends on monitor size. As I said above, I'd be happy to remove them... do you think that that is the best course of action? I can't think of a better place to put them, and they're really just decoration with some "fun facts" in the captions so removing them doesn't really detract from the article. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 15:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm against deleting content for no good reason. No, it just needs to be put in a different format. The problem is that at standard resolution (I'm at 1024x768), at anything other than with a maximized window they don't align with the table so they look like a "long right-aligned list of photos with whitespace on the left". Maybe they could be scattered around the article so they aren't together, or their text could be extracted and the images placed in a gallery. Something that don't force HTML text reflow to mess up with the list structure. Diego Moya (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh... that is problematic on 1024x768 displays (my monitor is much wider than that, so the end of the images actually lines up perfectly with the end of the table). I'll look into it. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 21:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, in order for the table to look good on both 1024x768 and *whatever-my-15.6-inch-display-is*, all but like one or two images need to be removed. The remaining images, then, seem kind of out of place. I'd happily put them in a gallery, but I don't think a gallery here would pass WP:IG. I've removed the images for now (and since the captions are really kind of trivia-ish, the info isn't really needed in the article). I'd just added them before the FLC so the article looked nicer, but they do really make it look ugly on some displays. If you have any ideas as to how they, or the information in the captions, can be kept, I'd be happy to add it. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That same guideline suggests moving them to commons, and there's a template to link to them.i wouldn't like the pictures lost because of my feedback.Diego Moya (talk) 23:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the pictures are on Commons, but not in a single category. I mean, what would it be? "Pictures of artists featured in the Rock Band series"? It seems kind of arbitrary. They aren't screenshots or anything, and IIRC most of them are already in the article about the pictured artist. Begins to regret having put them in in the first place. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 12:56, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, from past discussions, we don't classify songs as being part of Rock Band or GH through categories, it would make no sense for the artists (or even photos of articles) to be categorized in the same manner. --MASEM (t) 13:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question from nominator: Would it make sense to add in the "band difficulty" for each song? It could be a useful sort, I just don't know whether or not it would be encyclopedic enough. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • From experience, as soon as you try to add this in, readers will want to see all the ratings. Since these are all available via the RB website, we don't need to include them. Unlike other music games where there is tiering based on difficulty, it doesn't really happen in RB, so I don't think you'd want to include them. --MASEM (t) 13:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ah, gotcha. That makes sense, thanks! (And what is up with the tiering not being based on difficulty? There are songs which are devil-tiered for the full band when none of the individual songs are devil tiered!) –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Up to seven players but only five instruments mentioned? Can you do multiple vocals or something? I guess so, considering the table says up to 3 vocal parts, worth expanding on this in the lead.
  • " the full Rock Band library consisting of over 2,000 songs by the time the game was released." is that referenced anywhere?
  • Any reason why Amy Whinehouse sorts by A and not W (which you'd normally expect for solo artists performing under their "own" name)?
    • That's how it sorts in-game (only "The" and "A" at the beginning of a name change the in-game sort order, to my knowledge, and those are accounted for in the table). I can change it because it isn't that big a deal, but I feel that reflecting the game's sort order would be worthwhile. The same goes for David Bowie, James Brown, John Lennon, etc. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Du Hast -> Du hast.
    • Listed in the game as "Du Hast". Maybe the game is incorrect, but listing it as "Du hast" here would be misrepresenting the name of the song in-game, which is what this list should reflect. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the table, worth explaining what "Year" means.
    • Added as a footnote; seemed like the most appropriate place for such a note. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Genre in the table something that's defined by Rock Band or something you decided upon yourself?
    • As listed in game and on rockband.com . –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "Family Friendly" mean and why is Friendly capitalised?
  • "More than 2000 potential" 2,000 and do you really mean "potential"? I think you mean something like "a library of over 2,000 songs was available..."

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conditional support that the nominator corrects the italicization of the online and printed sources in the references. I found some of the website names as italicized, which should not be, and vice-versa. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the review! I think I've fixed the issue you mentioned; let me know if I missed any. I really don't know why {{cite web}} italicizes the "work" by default, since it it almost always going to be a website. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 16:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The Power of Love" does not sort properly.
  • I will support besides that.--Truco 503 14:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 14:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Here are the issues that stood out to me.

  • The sentence in the lead about the number of players and the types of peripherals seem awkward to me. Not sure, but I think too much info is in there for the sentence to flow smoothly. Maybe break it up?
  • "Pro" keeps popping up, but no description of it is made on the page. Some basic description should be made for the layman, otherwise the content about it makes little sense.

I also made a few tweaks to trivial things I noticed. Other than that, the list is in good shape. I'll check back in later. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]

  • Thanks for the review! I think I fixed those couple issues in this edit. –Drilnoth (T/C) 15:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: My concerns have been addressed and the list looks to meet the FL criteria. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:22, 18 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]


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