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List of number-one albums of 2008 (Australia)

Nominator(s): Sk8er5000 (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of number-one albums of 2008 (Australia)/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked tirelessly for the last few days, and believe this article is now compliant with all the Featured List Criteria. When I started working on this list, prose was virutally non exsistant, and the table formatting was as far from standard as possible. I worked on improving references, the prose, and all the table formatting. I now believe this list now meets the Criteria, and will review the nomination frequently. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"This list deals with albums that reached number one on the ARIA albums chart in 2008." This sentence is wholly unnecessary. Also, check the toolbox to your right; there's a disambiguation link to be fixed and several dead links (is the ARIA site down?). Dabomb87 (talk) 14:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed all. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 19:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice expansion. I made a few changes myself and have a few minor issues left, if you fix them I will support.

• Image caption "...and reached number two on the end of year albums chart". It sounds a bit strange, maybe "...and became the second most-popular album in Australia in 2008". Also could you link to List of Top 25 albums for 2008 in Australia?
• "This data are..." incorrect. Either "This data is..." or "These data are...", I would advice the first one.
• Remove the extra dot after ref [2].

That's it. Happy editing.--Music26/11 14:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment Image needs alternative text. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Edited article per Music2611 and Dabomb87's suggestions. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 21:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose from Truco (talk · contribs) Dabs Number-one albums of 2008 (Australia) -> is a self-redirect, I'm not sure whether its intentional or not, but if its not, it needs to be unlinked. External links Check out fine. Lead For starters, the see also links above the lead need to be removed and moved to the See also section. The ARIA Albums Chart, published by the Australian Recording Industry Association (also known as ARIA), is a record chart that features album sales information. -- 1)no need for the also known as per WP:ACRONYM 2)I really recommend you see List of number-one albums of 2008 (U.S.) for an example of a better intro sentence Overall, the lead lacks because its not really saying much about the list, see List of number-one albums of 2008 (U.S.) for an FL-style lead/prose. There are a couple of grammar issues which also need to be resolved, but if you base it off the list I showed above those can be fixed. List The list needs to be in its own section. This is the first list I see with the Labels section, was this agreed upon by the respective project? The reason I ask is because the acronym usage is overwhelming and not every reader knows what they are and adding a key for all of them would be exhausting to read. I believe without the column the table is still the same. The ref column should be unsortable. Is the Weeks at number one column also a new feature agreed upon? References There is no need to have the language parameter filled in if its in English because this is the English Wikipedia. I look on the websites from the australian-charts, and what states that the information is originally from the ARIA? It doesn't state it.--Truco 503 22:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC) I've tried to fix it up per those suggestions. The weeks at number one, and label column has been used in all the other lists of Australian number one's, and thus exsists here. I have made the references column unsortable. I have also written a new lead sentance based from that article you linked to, and tried to improve the lead. As far as the infomation coming from ARIA goes, is states on the homepage "Thanks to ARIA for the agreement to publish the charts from Australia.", thus implying the data comes from ARIA. I hope this is good enough. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 20:15, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 20:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Thanks for adding in alternative text. However, what you put in is inadequate. The purpose of alt text is to describe the image so that a reader who cannot see understand what's going on. You might describe her physical appearance, for example. Just saying "Pink" might make readers think of the color. "The highest-selling albums in Australia are ranked in the ARIA albums chart, which is published by the Australian Recording Industry Association. " "This data is compiled"-->This data are compiled "ARIA also issue "-->ARIA also issues "amongst"-->among "There were twenty-three albums that made number one in 2008."-->Twenty-three albums reached number one in 2008. "Only by the Night, by Kings of Leon, was the best selling album of 2008, however it only was at number one for four weeks in 2008 (It reached number one again in 2009 for another 12 weeks), making it the album with the longest stay at number one out of the albums that reached number one in 2008."-->Only by the Night, by Kings of Leon, was the best-selling album of 2008. It stayed at number one for four weeks in 2008 (it was number one in 2009 for 12 weeks), making it the longest-running album at number one in 2008. "Funhouse by Pink spent 9 weeks at number 1"-->Funhouse by Pink spent nine weeks at number one "second Australian number one album"-->second Australian number-one album The abbreviations used for the labels need to be explained. You need to make a key spelling out the abbreviations. Because the table is sortable, you have to link the albums, labels, and labels on every occurence. The "Weeks at number one (total)" column doesn't sort properly. You need to use a hidden sortkey with {{sort}}. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I have made all the spelling and grammer fixes suggested above. As far as the labels go, I will spell them out on the first usage as something like "AAA Records (AAA)", and only use the abbbrv later on. All the linked lines still appear on top when sorted, so that, AFAIK, should be OK. I have also put in a hidden sortkey. I will now alter the ALT text. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 04:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC) In regards to the acronyms, that's not what I meant. I think it will be best to either remove the column or add a key above the table that explains each acronym because if you link and spell out the label once you need to do it to all other ones because this a sortable table. I also recommend renaming the section List to something more relevant like Chart history. Finally, I still feel the lead could be expanded. Please consider referring to the U.S. list I mentioned above.--Truco 503 18:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I have removed the label column, rewritten the lead, and renamed that last section. I based the new lead off the US one, however there were no new records set in 08, thus the replacement of the last paragraph. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Looks a lot better. I have one concern left: "Apocalypso by The Presets spent one week atop the chart on April 21, and won the ARIA award for Album of the Year and Best Dance release, as well as the band winning the award for Best Group." Did the album's success led to the band's winning the Best Group award. Otherwise, it seems irrelevant. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC) Nope. Rm'd that part of the sentance. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support. No issues left. Good work :) --Music26/11 16:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah

Weak oppose What's ARIA? Can you open that acronym before using it? This data are → "These data are" OR "This data is" ...Internet sales (both physical and digital). - I don't understand what "physical Internet sales" means. Can you elaborate? The fact that Pink's album was atop for nine weeks is mentioned wherever possible. Any other idea for the caption of that image? Why are those repetitive rows present? The first 4 rows have the same info. Rows 6-10 have the same info. The last 9 rows have the same info. It's unnecessary! Why not just say "January 7-28 Timbaland"? We all expect the references to be in English, why state the obvious? --Crzycheetah 05:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC) ARIA is not opened straight away because the charts are known as the ARIA Charts everywhere else, even ARIA Charts opens it up once it's started. "This data are..." has already been changed at least once in accordance with a earier suggestion. I have elorabated on the "phyiscal and digital media". The repative rows are present to show how many chart issues each song was at number one for. I have removed the English bit in the refs. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 20:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC) Try "The data are..." Dabomb87 (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC) You have a column where you state how many chart issues each song was at number one for.--Crzycheetah 21:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC) reset indent I have fixed the remaining problems, however, while I was merging rows to prevent repeating, the sorting of the table broke, thus was removed. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 06:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC) I suggest separating the issues and refs with <br />, that way the table can become sortable again.--Crzycheetah 03:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC) What do you mean? Could you (or someone else) please do it, I have no idea what you mean. -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 07:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC) What I mean is something like this: Issue date Album Artist Weeks at number one (total) Reference January 7 January 14 Timbaland Presents Shock Value Timbaland 5 weeks --Crzycheetah 07:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC) I tried, after looking at the example, and I still couldn't do it for some reason. The issue dates didn't show up, and the other bits of info got pushed over one. Can you please do it, you seem to know what your doing a lot more than I do (lol). -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 07:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC) Done. When did we switch our roles? ;)--Crzycheetah 07:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose
  • A shame that physical media is a red link. Is there nothing you could link it to, or rephrase without linking and expanding to include compact disks, DVDs etc?
  • Seems a little odd to me to use the ARIA abbreviation before explaining what ARIA is.
  • Question : should end of year be hyphenated?
  • "number one" or "number-one".
    • Note: the hyphen usage depends on whether "number one" is used as a noun or an adjective. "Other albums with extended chart runs include Funhouse by Pink, which spent nine weeks at number one," but "number-one albums". I caught one unneeded hyphen, but everything else should be fine. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Was Pink's run consecutive or non-consecutive? Who actually had the most consecutive weeks at the top?
  • "won the ARIA award for Album of the Year and Best Dance release" presumably these are separate awards, so it "won the ARIA awards for..."
  • The repeated use of "week" in the table is unnecessary given the column heading. And I would centrally align that column.
  • Sometimes there are multiple references so the column heading should be "Reference(s)".
  • Sortable table so relink things on every instance, such as Jack Johnson.
  • Presumably "Issue date" relates to the chart, not the album - I'd make that clear.
  • Is it "Australian Recording Industry Association Ltd" or just "Australian Recording Industry Association"? (see refs).
  • Is there a 2008 in music style category this could be added to?
• The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Note, user is on an enforced wikibreak until September.[2]

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