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List of members of the House of Representatives of the Netherlands, 2017–2021 edit

List of members of the House of Representatives of the Netherlands, 2017–2021 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Dajasj (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this because it gives a quick overview of the parliamentary term. The introduction gives an overview of the parliamentary groups and some other relevant context, including a beautiful image made by Ætoms. It then gives a simple overview of all members (inspired by Tristan Surtel). It is sortable, so one can simply check who were part of a parliamentary group, or who was the first to leave that term. I believe it is much less chaotic than the version over at nl:Samenstelling Tweede Kamer 2017-2021. It does not go into much detail (such as birthdate etc.), as that can be found on the individual pages. It does however provide some relevant details in the notes, such as why a member left the House. I hope to use this format for similar lists in the future. O, and I also believe it meets the criteria ;) Thanks for considering this nomination. Dajasj (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "194 individuals served as representatives in House of Representatives," => "194 individuals served as representatives in the House of Representatives,"
  • "150 members were elected" - any way to reword so the sentence doesn't start with a number written as digits? While not prohibited, it doesn't quite look right IMO
  • Merge the second and third paragraphs of the lead
  • "was formed from a coalition of People's Party for Freedom and Democracy" => "was formed from a coalition of the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy"
  • "The opposition consisted of Party for Freedom" => "The opposition consisted of the Party for Freedom"
  • "During the term, three members switched their parliamentary group affiliation, changing the party composition of the House of Representatives. (Resignations generally do not affect the balance of power, as replacements are appointed from the party list.)" => "During the term, three members switched their parliamentary group affiliation, changing the party composition of the House of Representatives (resignations generally do not affect the balance of power, as replacements are appointed from the party list.)."
  • "in this list therefor" - "therefore" is spelt wrongly
  • Something seems to be up with Femke Merel van Kooten-Arissen - initially she has three rows against her name, but if you re-sort the table, a fourth row appears.....?
  • "Left because he did no have enough energy" => "Left because he did not have enough energy"
  • "Left after she felt she didn't get enough support" => "Left after she felt she did not get enough support"
  • Think that's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, thanks for taking the time reviewing this page! I'll fix these points asap. As for Femke Merel van Kooten Arissen, there should be four rows. I had fixed on desktop, but I see there are still problems on mobile at least. There should be a row combining her membership of PvdD with her second time in office... Dajasj (talk) 20:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the Femke issue is something to do with a conflict between all the different rowspans (if you look at the article when it first opens, without any re-sorting, only one row for PvdD is displayed when I think you intend there to be two). I think the easiest way to fix it might be to have a completely separate row for her PvdD membership from 4 February '19 to 16 July '19.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I had copied the solution, but apparently I didn't. My last change should've fixed it :) Dajasj (talk) 11:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that almost all the changes above have been made, but I still believe the very short second and third paragraphs of the lead should be merged -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I also have to look at your second point. Will do that today Dajasj (talk) 16:07, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Quick question, why did you remove the brackets around "temporarily", because after resignation it is not temporary? :) Dajasj (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because they aren't needed. "They (temporarily) replaced" and "They temporarily replaced" mean exactly the same thing and it reads more naturally without the brackets -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – This has come so far since I last saw it during the peer review process in March. Kudos. —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 13:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, in particular for your feedback :) Quick question about your latest change, I'm worried people might interpret appointed as in: someone can appoint a random person as (temporary) replacement. Which is sometimes the case in the US when a Senator leaves and a Governor gets to appoint someone, right? Because in the NL, it's always the next one on the list (which is explained later in the introduction). But if this is not how other people interpret appointed, then its fine :) Dajasj (talk) 13:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    For me, ‘appointment’ is a neutral term with no implications of procedure aside from not elected, so I don’t think we’re at risk of misleading readers who don’t reach the parenthetical in the third paragraph (which, btw, has an extraneous full stop). Cheers —jameslucas ▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄ 15:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :) Dajasj (talk) 15:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FOARP edit

  • General comment: this article is sourced entirely to parlement.com. Checking on the "About" page of their website, I see that this is an independent, unofficial initiative funded by the Montesquieu Institute of Maastricht University. I don't see any immediate reason to doubt the accuracy of the information they present, but I would have liked to see more than one source used especially to confirm some of the information given in the lead section.
  • "194 individuals served as representatives in the House of Representatives, the 150-seat lower house of the States-General of the Netherlands" - I think I know the answer (these are people who retired/left for some other reason and were replaced, right?) but it is not given and a natural question for our audience to ask - how were there 44 more people serving as representatives than seats? I think the addition of just a few words about members being replaced would cover this.
  • "Khadija Arib, who had been elected Speaker of the House in 2016, continued serving in that capacity for the duration of this period." - since this is not mentioned elsewhere in the article, we should probably have a source here. Perhaps this is an opportunity to introduce a different source? Also, is "speaker" actually how her title is translated in English? I see the term "Chair" used in this English-language piece and "president" used in this article and this article on the official website of the parliament. Our article on the topic of her election in 2016 doesn't cite any English-language sources so there is a potential translation issue here.
  • "resignations generally do not affect the balance of power, as replacements are appointed from the party list" - It would probably be a good idea to cite a reference here as to how the Dutch House of Representatives works.
  • "All members are sworn in at the start of the term, even if they are not new" - probably a good idea to cite a source here.
  • That's all I've got for now. FOARP (talk) 08:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll request a move for Speaker later today, but apparently in the past Speaker was used on official websites (see Talk:Speaker_of_the_House_of_Representatives_(Netherlands)). Dajasj (talk) 08:52, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, possible there's just inconsistent usage. Maybe just ask the Netherlands Wikiproject what they think the correct translation is before going through an RM discussion? FOARP (talk) 09:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking the time to give feedback! I think I addressed all other points now as well. Unfortunately, I had to use parlement.com another time for the resignations explanations, because I could not find a better source. Dajasj (talk) 10:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK to support from here. Like I said I don't doubt that parlement.com is an accurate source, but using more than one source helps re-affirm the notability of the article (not that I doubt it is notable) and gives a bit of insurance against linkrot. FOARP (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I agree, the problem is that there are no other sources that systematically describe the information. I would have to search for individual news articles for every person. Btw, all links are archived so linkrot shouldn't be an issue. Dajasj (talk) 10:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pending edit

Much of this was done by FOARP above, but here is a formal source review.

Formatting
  • The first seven sources (all the non parlement.com ones) need a language=dutch like the rest
  • The above seven would also benefit from trans-title=
  • Ref 5 missing author & date
  • Ref 4 missing access-date, newspaper and date
  • ref 3 missing author, date and newspaper
  • ref 2 missing publisher
  • ref 7 missing publisher
Reliability
  • Addressed above by FOARP
Verifiability
I fixed all the points, thanks :) Dajasj (talk) 18:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB) edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Name becomes !scope=col | Name. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | {{sortname|Roy van|Aalst}} becomes !scope=row | {{sortname|Roy van|Aalst}}. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Has been added, thanks for bringing this to my attention! :) Dajasj (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image review – The lone image used in the article looks to have an appropriate free license. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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