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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Curtly Ambrose edit

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Nominator(s): Zia Khan 21:45, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Curtly Ambrose, one of the finest bowler in the history of cricket, took 26 five-wickets hauls for the West Indies. This list includes his Test and ODI fifers. I've worked on the list, and I think this is now ready to become one of the best wiki-list since this meets the FLC criteria. Look forward to comments/suggestions. Cheers, Zia Khan 21:45, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 06:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "represented his country" ---> "represented West Indies" (WI is not a country)
  • The first line of the third paragraph seems to be irrelevant.
  • The caption can be more informative.
  • Why is there no H/A/N column?
  • Most of fifer lists don't have this. Zia Khan 11:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • South Africa's flag was different in 1992.
  • Numbers less than 10 should be in words as per MOS.
  • "of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year, the cricket almanack Wisden noted his" ---> "of its cricketers of the year, the cricket almanack Wisden noted his"
  • Link yorker and bouncer.
  • They are in the quotes. Zia Khan 11:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, thanks for the comments. Zia Khan 11:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me)
Commenting on prose alone
  • Expand ICC in "ICC Cricket Hall of Fame"
  • "His first Test five-wicket haul came eight months later...." no need to repeat Test
  • "He accumulated 11 wickets for 84 runs in the match" seems unnecessary since that is understandable in the line above.
  • "Ambrose achieved his five-wicket hauls" here you ought to be more clear – 22
  • "venues outside the West Indies" need to link West Indies
  • Both the image captions should name the subject
  • You've linked ESPNcricinfo in ref #2 and not in ref #1.

—Vensatry (Ping me) 06:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done all except the 2nd last one. The captions don't have anything wrong? Zia Khan 11:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:ALT, subject should be named since this isn't a parent article on Ambrose or Queen's Park Oval either. Appearance matters least in these types of lists. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've changed the Alt text. Zia Khan 11:30, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on table

  • Date for #15 is incorrect
  • 21st fifer lists only five batsmen
  • At least one entry is wrong "Overs", "Runs" and "Inns" column. Check all the entries once again.

—Vensatry (Ping me) 11:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Still not fully done —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look now! Zia Khan 20:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I checked the table twice but couldn't find anything wrong. Would you like to point out which entry is incorrect? Zia Khan 11:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Econ. for last Test fifer is 3.15. Also check the batsmen column. —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. Thanks for the review! Zia Khan 20:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Curtly Ambrose took the most number of five-wicket hauls for the West Indies.[1]" -> "Curtly Ambrose took the most five-wicket hauls for the West Indies.[1]"
  • " cricketer, took 26 five-wicket hauls in international cricket.[2][3] In cricket" I count "cricket" three times in eleven words...
  • Consider linking "bouncer" and "yorker" as these terms mean next-to-nothing to a non-expert.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed all, thanks for the comments. Zia Khan 19:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Image captions:
"Curtly Ambrose took the most five-wicket hauls for the West Indies." Better as: "Curtly Ambrose has taken the most five-wicket hauls for the West Indies." and there are 3 links that should be added to this text.
Reworded the statement. I don't prefer repeat linking in the captions (have a look at this). Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The Queen's Park Oval in the Port of Spain, where Ambrose took six Test five-wicket hauls, the most by any player at the ground." Link QPO and Port of Spain and remove "the" before the latter.
As above. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions. Ben MacDui 20:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Still I don't think this is necessary!? Zia Khan 21:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It may be helpful to get some additional input here. I very much doubt this would be acceptable at FAC, but I am less familiar with FLC. Ben MacDui 14:01, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've linked them, cheers! Zia Khan 14:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prose:
"only 41 bowlers have taken at least 15 five-wicket hauls" - better as - only 41 bowlers have taken 15 or more five-wicket hauls
Done. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"8 wickets for 45 runs against England at the Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, in April 1990;" - slightly clumsy use of a semi-colon - you could replace this with "where"
Done. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"against the same team" - not really, in the sense that the members of the team were surely different. "against the same opponents" would be better.
Done. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Ambrose achieved his 22 five-wicket hauls at 12 grounds, " - better as - " at 12 different grounds,"
Done. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"His first ODI five-wicket haul came later that year" - the repetition of 'ODI" gets a bit wearing. Perhaps something like "His first five-wicket haul in this format came later that year" to break this up.
Changed the sentence as suggested. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"17 runs in the match which is his best performance in ODIs." - use of the present tense suggests he is still playing; the use of "which" here is slightly problematic; and it's another "ODI". I suggest "He took 5 wickets for 17 runs in the match, his best performance in One Day Internationals."
Changed the sentence as suggested, ODI already expanded in the 1st para. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it is expanded but my concern here is that we have five short staccato sentences, three of which contain "ODI". I will take a look at this myself. Ben MacDui 20:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Zia Khan 21:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"As of 2013, he is tenth overall" - "ranked tenth overall" would convey the sense better I think.
I think, this will be excessive. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Factual:
"Ambrose achieved his 22 five-wicket hauls at 12 grounds, including 11 at venues outside the West Indies." - could you check your arithmetic re this uncited assertion please? Ben MacDui 17:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are missing the table, anyways I have provided inline ref. Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The reference is helpful of course, but could you list the 11 Test "venues outside the WI" for me, here? Ben MacDui 20:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! fixed now. Zia Khan 21:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's fixed the arithmetic, but the reference you have added (#16) does not seem to list only "venues outside the WI" despite the title you have given it. It may be that the title is wrong - I am not sure how the parameters of this site work. Ben MacDui 14:01, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed this one. Zia Khan 14:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with "Ambrose achieved his 22 five-wicket hauls at 12 different grounds, including 11 at venues outside the West Indies" is that it still implies that he only achieved the feat at a single venue in the Windies. This is not the case and I think you need to find a simple way to avoid this confusion. Ben MacDui 15:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What about "Ambrose achieved his 22 five-wicket hauls at 12 different grounds, including 11 at 9 different venues outside the West Indies"? Zia Khan
It's not the most elegant of sentences but it clarifies the issue. Ben MacDui 18:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the review. Much appreciated! Zia Khan 19:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Above issues resolved - Support. Ben MacDui 18:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support! Zia Khan 03:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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