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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 19:13, 21 September 2009 [1].

List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting edit

Nominator(s): Aaroncrick (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria. Ricky Ponting is third on the list for most One Day International Cricket Centuries and second on the list for most Test cricket centuries. Although his career is not over, at least 80% is done and dusted. Aaroncrick (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment As I've already commented here, why can't we have a "List of career achievements by cricketer? If we create that page and have all the achievements and records from the respective sections in the main article, then there'll be a chance to have a featured list and a featured article. I can see that you're one of the main contributors of Ricky Ponting's main article and I am sure you want to make that page as good as possible. By just skimming through that page, I notice that the last two sections just don't belong there because they're in a list format. I believe it will be beneficial to have a separate page for the achievements. Since having international centuries is an achievement, the info in this page should be a part of the aforementioned list.--Cheetah (talk) 02:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 20:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Comma after Sachin Tendulkar in second paragraph.
  • Thanks for your comments Giants2008. Done. Aaroncrick (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "played at Headingly Stadium, Leeds in 1997, where he...". "where" isn't designed to go after a year. Either change it to "when" or restrucutre the sentence.
  • "Just short of a century, he has been dismissed four times above the score of 90." Move the part before the comma to the end of the sentence?
  • Removed "Just short of a century" as it virtually contradicts whats already said. Aaroncrick (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Melbourne Cricket Ground and Melbourne are linked excessively in the lead.
  • Test century table: a couple rows have missing months.
  • Good spot :) I spelt the months wrong in the template and it wasn't too happy. Aaroncrick (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The external links for reference publishers look slightly odd. Why not just have wikilinks like the others?

Giants2008 (17–14) 20:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Removed those external links from the lead. Aaroncrick (talk) 23:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Provisional support – Pending replacement of the links recently discovered to be dead. If I may offer a couple of additional comments, I would like to see ABC spelled out in ref 1, as that could be confusing for some (The US has an ABC of our own, for example). Also, I'm not sure why the first few Cricinfo references don't have publisher links when the many others do. Giants2008 (17–14) 20:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment "Ponting, among 38 centuries, has scored four double centuries and remained unbeaten on 26 occasions." As this article is about his centuries, to me "remained unbeaten on 26 occasions" refers to being not out in 26 of his 38 century innings. Schumi555 22:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I removed as it is not relevant. Aaroncrick (talk) 22:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Number 18 is out of date order, or the date is wrong. Hesperian 00:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi sir, Number 18 where? Aaroncrick (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The list is in date order, except for the 18th entry, which says "31 January 1999" despite being amongst 2003 matches. I've highlighted it in red in the snippet below. Hesperian 00:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No. Score Against Inn. Test Venue H/A Date Result
16 206  West Indies 1 2 Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain Away 19 April 2003 Won[1]
17 113  West Indies 1 3 Kensington Oval, Barbados Away 1 May 2003 Won[2]
18 169  Zimbabwe 1 2 Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney Home 31 January 1999 Lost[3]
19 242  India 1 2 Adelaide Oval, Adelaide Home 12 December 2003 Lost[4]
20 257  India 1 3 Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne Home 26 December 2003 Won[5]

Fixed thanks. Very clumsy indeed. Aaroncrick (talk) 00:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Nice work Aaron! Some questions however:
    • Rules about photos "looking off the page"? Do they apply at FLC? Perhaps other commenters may have some advice. Personally I don't see the problem.
      • I have seen FAs with left-aligned images in the lead (Joseph Priestly). However, I agree it's not a big deal. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The photo for the One-day section sits above the table while the photo for the Test section sits to the right. Is this a deliberate editing choice and if so, why? My immediate thought is that consistency would be preferred but there may be a valid reason for this approach.
  • Not sure what you mean. Looks the same to me. Aaroncrick (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might be just my browser and screen resolution, but the one-day photograph sits above the table, against the right hand side of the screen. This leaves an unsightly piece of white space above the table and to the left of the photograph. I am not sure you can do much about it, some other commenters may have some ideas. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah it looks fine to me. :) Aaroncrick (talk) 07:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, definitely my screen, I am looking at it on a wider screen now and the pictures are where they should be. -- Mattinbgn\talk 10:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are different date formats used in the two tables, the Test table uses "8 July 2009" and the One day table uses "February 24, 2008". This should be consistent and I prefer the former for this list.
Not sure how to change this. Tendulkar and Ganguly are like this and if I try in doesn't like it. Aaroncrick (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Aaroncrick (talk) 04:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The one-day table includes position in the batting order and the Test table does not. Is this by design?
That's how Tendulkar's was, but I'll do that later. Bit busy now.Aaroncrick (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do think that one, at least, is important. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The one-day table includes batting strike rate and the Test table does not. Is this by design? Is strike rate information available for Test match innings? Do you think that that the strike rate for Test innings is relevant or important. I would tend towards including it, if the information is consistently available.
Tendulkar's is like that. Didn't change it because thought there might have been a reason for it. Can do though. Aaroncrick (talk)
If you choose not to include it, that's fine too. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Have you given any thought to including innings length (jn minutes), especially for the Test table?
Yeah, but I probably wont. Aaroncrick (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but I would think the length of the innings (either in minutes or balls) is an interesting and relevant piece of information. If you think otherwise, that's fine, I won't oppose over it. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Otherwise, great work. Once these have been addressed let me know and I will take another look. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support well done! -- Mattinbgn\talk 10:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment needs a note/info that the century against Asia was for the World XI, not Austraila YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 01:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it matters, but it has to be noted surely. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, done. Aaroncrick (talk) 06:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "In Test matches, Ponting has scored centuries against all the Test-cricket playing nations and has scored a century in at least one cricket ground of all Test-cricket playing nations" - won't saying just that he has scored hundreds in all Test countries cover both the things mentioned in this line ? Tintin 02:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are a few dead links; check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Argh Crcinfo links have just died. I'll wait a couple of day. Surely they will have to spring back to life? Aaroncrick (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • "has scored hundreds in all Test playing countries" He hasn't scored a century in Zimbabwe or Pakistan.
  • Not sure about the third sentence, mentioning his retirement from T20I is fine but mentioning the IPL in an list on international centuries seems unnecessary.
  • "He has been dismissed four times above the score of 90" Wrong even if you interpret you mean nineties.
  • "both of which are Australian records." True, but could do with a ref(s) as it's not backed up by the list.
  • "He has scored 13 centuries in home grounds" 12 according to the table.
  • The lead mentions that Melbourne Cricket Ground is in Melbourne three times when I'm not sure you need to say it at all.
  • "Seven of these centuries were hit at the Melbourne Cricket Ground" 'these' suggests you're talking about away/neutral venues as that's the last thing mentioned.
  • The lead, which lends largely from Sachin Tendulkar's article, seems a bit bland and could do with some uniqueness to make it more engaging. It may be worth mentioning the century in a WC final, the World XI century or scoring two centuries in a Test on three occasions - a joint record. You could mention the circumstances of his highest score in ODIs, you cover it in less words than his first ODI century when it's in fact one of the most memorable ODIs in history.
Tables
  • Innings number needs fixing, first seven Test centuries use match innings number (1-4), the rest is Australia innings number (1-2). I'd prefer 1-4s as it provides more information to the reader and would be consistent with the ODI list, which would be all 1s if you used Australia innings number throughout.
  • Test number (within the series) incorrect for century numbers 1, 11, 12, 31, 33 and 37.
  • Match results incorrect for Test century numbers 18 and 32.
  • Test century numbers 11 and 12 were neutral grounds.
  • Test century number 14 and ODI century number 5 have wrong date.
  • Scores for Test century number 9 and ODIs 15 and 24 need fixing.
  • Strike rate incorrect for ODI century 2.
  • Key above the table would make more sense.
  • Linking 'Asian XI' to List of Asian XI ODI cricketers might be better than nothing.
  • Grounds - wrong Old Trafford, wrong Headingley, wrong Warner Park, Kingstown?? Kensington Oval in two different locations, 13th Test century should have a Brisbane to be consistent with the rest. The tables are sortable so all grounds should probably be linked.
  • I meant it's listed as Bridgetown for one century and Barbados for the other, best to be consistent. --Jpeeling (talk) 08:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • Refs 4, 5, 7 and 8 need fixing.
  • Done, but might need to be tweaked a bit... Aaroncrick (talk) 07:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 7 could be titled better/consistent with other refs.
  • Refs 9, 10, 20, 27, 39, 42, 58 don't link to where they should.
  • Minor quibble but reference titles have incorrect dates for ref numbers 13, 16, 25, 29, 38, 48, 51.
Other
  • Alt text could be improved, in the second image they're not playing cricket they're facing each other/talking. On the third image you assume the person will know what an Australian ODI uniform looks like.
  • Caption in second image could link Warne and 2006-07 Ashes, there needs to be a ref for the 576 runs scored. Third caption date differs from table.

--Jpeeling (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the WC final in 2003 shoudl be mentioned. Isn't that the highest score in a WC F ?? Also the 145 against Zim in 1998 equaled the Aus record at the time I think YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 01:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems to meet the FL criteria, assuming that Jpeeling's concerns are resolved satisfactorily. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ "West Indies vs. Australia, Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, April 19–23, 2003". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
  2. ^ "West Indies vs. Australia, Kensington Oval, Barbados, May 1–5, 2005". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
  3. ^ "Australia vs. Zimbabwe, Sydney Cricket Ground, Syndey, October 17–20, 2003". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
  4. ^ "Australia vs. India, Adelaide Oval, Adelaide, December 12–16, 2003". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
  5. ^ "Australia vs. India, Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne, December 26–30, 2003". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
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