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The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 00:34, 30 May 2009 [1].

List of helicopter prison escapes edit

Nominator(s): Esemono (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Toolbox

I am nominating this for featured list because after making the recommended changes after the peer review it is ready for you to pick apart. But I do have a question in the Escapee field most of the time there is only one person so it is nice to sort the table so you can find a specific Escapee. But sometimes there is several people who escape by helicopter. So my question is how do you handle the formating in a sortable table for the escapes with several people? Do you sort just the first person, don't sort that field, give a default sort symbol like a dash? If you have the time any advice would be great! -- Esemono (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you close the peer review, please? As per the FLC instructions, nominations may not be listed at PR at the same time as being here. Cheers. Matthewedwards :  Chat  03:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I closed it for the nominator.—Chris! ct 04:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks, Chris. Matthewedwards :  Chat  05:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! My mistake, thanks Chris -- Esemono (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Even though it has a key, the "Success or Failure" images also should have alt text. I personally think the whole thing is tacky. I'd just have a column "Success?" and Yes or No. If you want to have graphics you could use {{Yes}}/{{No}} or {{Tick}}/{{Cross}}.
  • "Helicopter prison escapes as the name implies is escaping prison using a helicopter." is not a good opening sentence. As it stands it is missing a couple of commas, but I would suggest changing it completely. You don't have to repeat the title of the article in the lead.
  • I'm not happy with the fair use claim for the non-free image. We have very strict criteria for fair-use images. Just because a free image doesn't exist, does not mean we can use a copyrighted one.
  • "One of the first instances of using" if there were others before it, this list isn't comprehensive. Ideally I think there should be a reference for being the first escape to use a chopper.
    • What if it's changed to, "one of the earliest"? -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref for the book existing and being based on his experience.
  • Do thinks like horizontal and
  • "The most spectacular" according to?
  • Also the Times article mentions "spectacular" in reference to 10 jailbreaks. Who's to say the most recent 11th wasn't more spectacular
  • "On one of her first solo flights" The reference doesn't say that, it's WP:OR
  • Titles is "escapes", lead says "to be counted as a helicopter escape, a helicopter must be used to free prisoners from a place of internment, a prison or correctional facility". But foiled plans like the January, 1983 one are included.
  • Prose needs copyediting.
    • "By far the most helicopter escapes happen in France with at least 11 helicopter jail breaks." bad wording
    • "in Jan, 2003" don't use three letter months
    • "Of the five only Victor Gonzalez Diaz wasn’t recaptured immediately." should have a comma after five.
    • "use a helicopter free a one or several people out of the prison" missing word.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, is is really necessary to define what a helicopter and a prison is? Reywas92Talk 23:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check the toolbox to your right, there is one disambiguation link that needs to be fixed and a one dead link. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the dab and that Timesonline link isn't dead its just something with the timesonline site. -- Esemono (talk) 03:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
  • I also find the explanations of what a prison/helicopter is unnecessary, these are common items that people are aware of.
  • 'By far the most helicopter escapes happen in France with at least 11 helicopter jail breaks.' --> By far, the most helicopter escapes have occurred in France, with at least 11.
  • 'Using her new found skills she a rented white helicopter and flying low over Paris plucked her husband off the roof of his fortress prison.' --> Using her new found skills, she rented a white helicopter and flew low over Paris to pluck her husband off the roof of his fortress prison.
  • 'Michel was later killed in a shoot out with police and his pilot wife arrested.' -- 1)Comma before 'and' 2)+was before 'arrested'
  • The lead could use some expansion to summarize the list more, such as the most recent jail break via chopper, and other significant statistics.
List
  • I too find the use of the images to detail successful/non-successful attempts a bit tacky. If you're going to at least use them, can you write Yes or No next to them?
  • I don't know about the use of that much details is good for this list. I think just a summary of why the convict is in jail should suffice.
Escapes in fiction
  • Why is this needed? Its a bit trivial to me, as it takes away from the overall meaning of the list.
References
  • There is an inconsistency with formatting of some of the publishers, be consistent. Such as Times/TIMES.
  • Linking of the publishers also needs to be consistent: link all, link on first occurrence, or don't link at all.
  • Ref 40: Filmhobbit is the work, Cinema Blend LLC is the publisher.

--Truco 23:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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