Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colleges and universities in South Dakota/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 19:19, 11 August 2012 [1].

List of colleges and universities in South Dakota

Featured list candidates/List of colleges and universities in South Dakota/archive1

Nominator(s): Ruby 2010/2013 19:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another colleges list, this time of the Midwestern state of South Dakota. This is part of my ongoing project to improve these lists. This one is relatively short and shouldn't take much time to review. Thanks in advance for your comments. Ruby 2010/2013 19:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting "Control" in Safari gives me many different results each time I click on sort.

How interesting. It does that for me too (using Firefox). Is that a problem? How would I go about fixing that? Ruby 2010/2013 19:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure, sorry! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing the same thing in Chrome. The rows aren't jumbling up or anything though, the information stays correct but just sorts differently, so I'm not convinced it's anything to be too concerned about. GRAPPLE X 16:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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General comment, this lists are okay, but there's no real "wow" moment for me. Is there anything beyond the pure stats you could tell me in the lead? Is there anything special about any of the institutions, or any alumni I may have heard of? Anything?

I'll see what I can find. Ruby 2010/2013 18:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the "American Dietetic Association" is now called "Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics", should that be updated?

Updated Ruby 2010/2013 18:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ref -> Ref(s).

Done Ruby 2010/2013 18:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason why defunct table isn't sortable?

I've tried to learn from each FLC. In the recent Wisconsin list FLC, you said "Defunct institutions - ref col doesn't need to be sortable". I can make it sortable if it you wish it now, but just wanted to clarify. Ruby 2010/2013 19:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, ref cols should never be sortable, but other cols can be. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Ruby 2010/2013 03:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External link claims that it lists "accredited" establishments, yet the "National American University-Ellsworth AFB Extension" is listed on that site, despite being called "unaccredited" in this list.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified. Sorry about the delay in responses. I've responded to all but one (still working on finding more information to add to lead, though my search has been disappointing so far). Ruby 2010/2013 03:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't assume that readers know that AFB is an airforce base.

I don't think it is necessary to inform readers about this. Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota is just a click away for those who are interested. Ruby 2010/2013 03:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. You shouldn't be using abbreviations without explaining what they mean. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point. I have changed it to Ellsworth Air Force Base. Ruby 2010/2013 21:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The table was incorrect; I've fixed it to reflect that the institution in question is regionally accredited by HLC. Ruby, please be more careful; labeling an institution as unaccredited is a pretty big deal and we have to get that right. ElKevbo (talk) 06:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated in the edit summary, the National Center for Educational Statistics entry on National American University-Ellsworth AFB Extension says "No accreditation data reported for this institution". Please stop adding information without properly citing it. Regards, Ruby 2010/2013 19:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's an online branch campus of an accredited institution and it's specifically listed on HLC's website.

If you don't understand higher education, I suggest you stop editing this article or seek assistance when delving into specialized topics such as accreditation. ElKevbo (talk) 21:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, if you want to get technical then the information contained in IPEDS - which is where College Navigator gets its data - covers institutions participating in Title IV. Institutions must be accredited by an agency recognized by the Department of Education to participate in Title IV so it's trivial to conclude that all institutions in College Navigator are accredited. Theoretically it's possible that there are accredited institutions that don't participate in Title IV but is highly unlikely. ElKevbo (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I would advise you to change your tone. Wikipedia is a collaborative process where editors are meant to work together, not against each other. Today I personally contacted the HLC to verify that their accreditation applies to online branches of accredited campuses, as this is not made specifically clear at the HLC entry on NAU nor at the NCES page. A representative of the HLC has confirmed to me that Ellsworth is accredited, so the issue has been resolved. Ruby 2010/2013 21:16, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 10:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Images in lead could do with alt text
ref 9 does not appear to be a PDF, the extension seems to be ASHX (whatever that is), would remove the format parameter altogether

NapHit (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have made both suggested fixes to the article. Thank you for looking it over! Ruby 2010/2013 00:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 10:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing! Ruby 2010/2013 04:53, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from GRAPPLE X 03:29, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Could be wrong, I believe the key requires row scopes as well.
I'm thinking the aside about Redfield's merger with Yankton could perhaps be moved to a note, as is it gives that row a disproportionate height which looks unseemly.
You mention that Sisseton Wahpeton College is the smallest post-secondary institution; it might be worth noting that the Sioux Falls Seminary has a smaller intake (also maybe that it's a Baptist seminary, but that's not vital).

Other than those minor issues I'm inclined towards supporting this one. GRAPPLE X 04:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed you left comments, so my apologies! Based on my other recent colleges lists (like this one), I don't think the key really needs row scopes, though I'd be willing to add them if you or someone else deems it necessary. Otherwise, I have hopefully made the necessary changes. Thanks for reviewing this one, Grapple. Ruby 2010/2013 19:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say add them anyway; the benefit in terms of accessibility is huge compared to the effort. Other than that I'd say I'm happy to support this one. GRAPPLE X 11:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added! Ruby 2010/2013 14:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support (clarifying after boxing off comments). GRAPPLE X 03:29, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Such colorful comment caps... I wish the reviewers at FAC used these. Ruby 2010/2013 04:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: No apparent copyright problems and well kept File: pages. Good raise 19:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking it over. Ruby 2010/2013 19:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Augustana College source says it was founded in 1860 not 1889. The Enrollment source presents different numbers than what's presented in the table. Sinte Gleska University says nothing regarding the founding. Neither of the sources specifically mention Columbus College closing in 1929. Freeman, Huron, USD - Springfield, Wessington and Yankton don't seem to be listed in Ref 31. Afro (Talk) 06:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea why Augustana said 1889, but I have now fixed it. This provided different enrollment numbers because it was based on fall 2010 data; the website must have updated their data, so ~~I'll~~ I adjusted the table accordingly. One of the sources does specifically mention Columbus College closing (-> "In 1929 Columbus College Closed, an early victim of the Great Depression). And Ref 31 was a slight error - it was synced to the Wisconsin list rather than the SD list. Easy fix. Ruby 2010/2013 14:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Everything seems to be fixed and I have see no issues with the article. Afro (Talk) 20:56, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review and support. Ruby 2010/2013 04:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Referencing problems for the main key
Categories should be in alphabetical order please.

TBran dl ey 03:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adjusted categories accordingly. What kind of referencing problems? Ruby 2010/2013 03:57, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Just no references in that key. Add if possible; thanks. TBran dl ey 04:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 6 covers the actual information for the relevant field; the key is just a guide to the acronyms used. I fail to see why that would need to be cited. GRAPPLE X 04:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree here with Grapple. A bit of a unique situation, but I believe the links themselves provide sufficient verification, considering they're just corresponding with acronyms. Ruby 2010/2013 04:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're only essays, not guidelines, but WP:BLUE and WP:CHEESE are worth having a look at. GRAPPLE X 04:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting. A bit... shall we say, amusing, that someone requested a cite for humans having five fingers... Ruby 2010/2013 04:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Fair enough. This is fine. TBran dl ey 04:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Great work on this list! It should be represent as one of Wikipedia's best lists. TBran dl ey 04:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Ruby 2010/2013 04:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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