Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (UK)/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:16, 12 February 2010 [1].

List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (UK)

Nominator(s): 03 md 01:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC), Mephiston999[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (UK)/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is ready to become featured. Any guidance on improvements to referencing etc. is appreciated. 03 md 01:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mephiston999

Resolved comments from Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*There are lots of links to redirect pages.

There are lots of links to disambig pages.
At the moment 7 pictures are missing alt text.

I will get to those shortly, although I am not an expert in alt text. 03 md 21:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt text has been added for all images. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. All major issues fixed. Ready for the promotion.Mephiston999 (talk) 00:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments

What's the criteria for inclusion?

I thought I had made that clear in the last paragraph of the lead - it is the top 100 selling singles, as announced by Radio 1.

En-dashes for year ranges.

I'll do that

"more than 1 million " one million.

Changed

"Evergreen"/"Anything Is Possible" spaced or unspaced slash? You have both.

Changed all instances to spaced slash.

What does the * mean in 2009*?

I have changed this to a note explaining the situation with Rage Against the Machine.

Little less conversation - JXL was involved so surely a Dutch flag too?

Added Dutch flag.

As I said, quick ones... more once these are dealt with. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your initial comments. I have addressed them all apart from the flags at the moment. 03 md 21:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check MOSFLAG for the use of flags without country names.

I can remove this column if necessary - I just used the format for the table that is present in 2009 in British music and similar articles. 03 md 21:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying that you need to remove it, you just need to comply with WP:MOSFLAG. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way it can comply with WP:MOSFLAG so the best thing to do is just delete that column, it doesnt really add anything to the article anyways. Mephiston999 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the column. 03 md 00:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from WFCforLife (talk) 09:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can see myself potentially supporting. A few things though:

The Rage Against the Machine note makes sense. The other two do not; they should either be incorporated into the lead, or removed as trivia. Given that this would leave one note, I would suggest simply having the Rage note at the bottom of the table, without a full blown "Notes" header.
- I only included the RATM note - the others were added by someone else without giving a source, so I have removed them. 03 md 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you individually source Papa can you hear me? It's quite an extraordinary claim that a single released in 2008 and peaking at 19 can be so high in this chart.
- It is an extraordinary claim - and an incorrect one. The song was added in place of Chasing Cars at #49 by an anonymous user and I have removed it as vandalism. 03 md 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keeping refs simple is normally a good thing, but ref 13 needs more information, given how heavily reliant we are on it. How would I attempt to find it? Who published/broadcasted it? What channel? I accept that I personally may not be able to get hold of the source, and therefore accept (almost) all of the facts in good faith. But without enough info to attempt to find it, I consider the list unverified.
- I had trouble filling in the details using the Cite episode template - do you know how this particular template works? I wanted to source the list to the three seperate Radio 1 episodes. 03md 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Templates can be problematic for that sort of thing. My suggestion is to get rid of the template and simply write out the details for that ref. Once the details are there I'd be happy to attempt to format it, and if I get it wrong I'm confident someone else would correct me. WFCforLife (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have managed to find published sources on the Radio 1 website which count down the chart, so I am using these instead. 03 md 01:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hope those help, WFCforLife (talk) 02:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Cheers for your comments. I have responded above. 03 md 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disclosure: We're both in the wikicup. WFCforLife (talk) 02:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, referencing is much more helpful now. I know we can't indefinitely semi protect, but this one will be more prone to vandalism than most. It'll be worth keeping on a few watchlists. WFCforLife (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General

The external link in ref #7 is dead.

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mephiston999 had about half your edits to the article, unless his changes were minor, you should have contacted him about this nom.
Dab links check out fine.
Some of the images need alt text.
In addition, in stead of using 'lady' for one of the images I saw, use 'woman.' (its more formal)

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 01:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Since 2005 the chart has been based on the sales of both physical and digital singles, as long as the single was available in both formats. -- A)Comma after 2005 B)instead of 'as long' use 'as well', makes a tad bit more sense.

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 02:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of the decade a retrospective chart was compiled by the Official Charts Company to determine the best-selling single across the ten-year period. -- Comma after decade

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The single sold 1.795 million copies and saw Young finish ahead of his fellow Pop Idol finalist Gareth Gates, whose debut single "Unchained Melody" sold 1.4 million copies and took second place. -- Doesn't 'took second place' sound a bit repetitive since it is stated that Young's single placed ahead of it?

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The X Factor winners Alexandra Burke (5th) and Shayne Ward (8th) and the band formed on Popstars in 2001, Hear'Say (9th), also made it into the top ten. --> The X Factor winners Alexandra Burke (5th), Shayne Ward (8th) and the band formed on Popstars in 2001, Hear'Say (9th), also made it into the top ten.

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Only 5 songs released in 2003 and 2 released in 2004 (including Band Aid 20's million seller "Do They Know It's Christmas?" made the top 100 best-selling singles, in comparison to 11 in 2000 and 13 in 2009. -- the parenthesis needs to be closed.

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The song eventually reached number 36 in the best-sellers list. -- this is sourced in the table right?

yes, you can find it in the table, which has 3 references (see general references) Mephiston999 (talk) 02:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Table

Since there are three refs for the positions, which cause that column to stretch, you should make them general references. See this example.

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 01:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Remove this header because there are no 'links.' The template goes under the references in this case.--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 01:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Comments resolved; meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Just one thing, you shouldn't put use images (such as the check marks) on FLC pages because they slow down page-loading. Mm40 (talk) 13:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Mm40 (talk)

Comments from Mm40 (talk)

This is purely a personal stylistic request (so you can ignore it), but did you consider changing "text-align:left" to "text-align:center" at the table's start to center it?
- Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All but one image needs alt text
- I added alt text to the rest of the images. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The last reference needs an access date, and their is an author.
- Fixed Mephiston999 (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 12 (Pocket-lint) has an author you should add. More importantly, though, what makes it reliable?
- Fixed author issue Mephiston999 (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - What about reliability? Mm40 (talk) 02:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Deleted, there is another reference for it anyways.Mephiston999 (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More to come. Mm40 (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Official Charts Company shouldn't be linked in the second paragraph
"talent competition Pop Idol in 2001" can you make it clearer that he won in 2001, not that the songs were released '01? it may be worthwhile to put the songs' release year after they're first mentioned.
"ahead of ~~his~~ fellow Pop Idol finalist"
"including Band Aid 20's million seller" hyphenate "million seller"
Missing quotation mark in the Black Eyed Peas caption
In the table entry for "Hero" (#19), "X Factor" should be "The X Factor"
Rock DJ should link to Rock DJ (song) (also fix in the caption of Williams' picture)
In the table and Lewis' caption, you might link "Run" to the specific section, Run (Snow Patrol song)#Leona Lewis version
In the RATM note, why not link List of Christmas number one singles (UK) again?

This list is very good, and I'll support once my above issues are resolved (including Pocket-lint's reliability). One comment, though: You Brits have bad taste in music; Bob the Builder at #10! How?!

No major problems with the images. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as long as you fix the typo in the title of ref 4 and remove that random > from near the end of the lead.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed both issues.Mephiston999 (talk) 11:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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