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List of awards and nominations received by The West Wing edit

List of awards and nominations received by The West Wing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The political drama The West Wing was acclaimed throughout its run, becoming one of the most award-winning shows of its time (including four Emmy wins for Outstanding Drama Series, which ties the record). It also remains a fairly popular show today given that it aired its last episode almost 15 years ago. This list has existed for a while, but I recently overhauled the page's formatting and added valid sources – the page had relied heavily on IMDb up to this point, which was really unsatisfying for such a well-known show. I modeled the page after the similar list for Community, which was recently promoted to FL status, so hopefully the formatting looks good. Any and all comments are appreciated. RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dank

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing.
  • FLC criteria:
  • 1. The prose is fine. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. The coding in the table seems fine.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems other than the usual warnings about IMDB (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements. The one image is fine.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • That's all I've got for now. - Dank (push to talk) 16:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I made one change to your copyediting from point 1, since it seemed to imply the actors in the preceding sentence were not main cast members (at least to me). RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:34, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. - Dank (push to talk) 13:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC) P.S. Agreed with Guerillero about IMDB, and I should have been clearer that IMDB failed the UPSD test, and that knowing what IMDB can or can't be used for is outside my skill set. - Dank (push to talk) 04:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The original cast starred" - this seems like odd wording. "The original cast included" or "The show originally starred" would work, but I don't think the current wording is right.
  • I would say the episode title "18th and Potomac" should sort under "eighteenth"
  • Similarly, the category "60 Minute Category" should sort under "Sixty"
  • Think that's it from me - great work, overall -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The changes you suggested should now be in place. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass edit

I will get to this sometime soon, a lot of sources! Aza24 (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well that did not take as long as I thought it would. Since everything is archived I didn't have to check for broken links and there are so many Emmy links that checking for consistent formatting for those was easy. Great work here, I don't think I've ever reviewed an article with this many sources and found no inconsistencies with formatting, linking, information or reliability. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 02:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts

  • Please don't roll your own infobox. The fonts are all off
  • IMDB isn't an RS
  • E Pluribus Unum Award, Family Television Awards, and Publicists Guild of America Awards seems non notable

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 04:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the infobox and removed references to IMDb (though the external link at the end is still there). In regard to the three awards you mentioned, here are why I included them:
  • The E Pluribus Unum Awards and the American Cinema Foundation have little to no external coverage, so I'd understand if we removed those – I simply carried them over from earlier versions of the article.
  • I think that the Family Television Awards are notable because they aired on a major network (CBS) and have coverage in external sources (see this and this).
  • The Publicists Guild of America Awards are presented by an accredited guild with external recognition in Variety (as shown in the list's references).
– RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Guerillero – since it's been a few weeks, I wanted to make sure you had seen my response. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Guerillero: Have you had a chance to review my changes and consider my explanations for why the awards listed above were included? I'm particularly interested in the latter part; I think there's both reasons to keep and to remove all three, so I wanted to get your thoughts after seeing my explanations. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Sdkb I'm not really a fan of the lead image. It's of Janney more than a decade after the West Wing went off air, so it's not topical, and it's also not a very high quality photo. And a photo of Janney doesn't really communicate the idea of the show getting awards rather than just the actress getting awards. A photo of the full cast would be much better, or we could get creative and try to brainstorm some other kind of visual. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've replaced the image with a different one of the show's logo. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. I'll consider that a pass for the image review haha. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, for the Emmy awards table, could we make that sortable? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. I do notice that, after the sorting button is clicked, it messes up the line for Janney, even once the default state is brought back (a similar thing happens with the main table for the multi-line boxes there). But that'd require attention from someone much better at tables than me to address, or perhaps even a software change. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no way to remerge cells after splitting them through sorting; I imagine it's very difficult for that to be implemented, so it's not an available feature. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Someone has recently added a new award from the American Academy of Neurology to the list. I think the organization is noteworthy enough for the award to be included and have formatted the award accordingly, but if other users (including those who have already reviewed the page) would like to check this for themselves, that would be greatly appreciated. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 06:17, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Could you add a source for the Peabody Awards being awarded for its contributions to entertainment.

Everything else looks great. ~ HAL333 04:24, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed that part of the sentence instead – it's cleaner than adding a source, and the detail isn't really needed anyway. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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