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List of awards and nominations received by Britney Spears edit

Nominator(s): Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 11:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am resubmit this nominating for featured list of List of awards and nominations received by Britney Spears because the last time I've been here in December 2019 and it takes me about 3 months long to improve my work and I think this page maybe already near the FL criteria better than my last time. Let me know which part that still I need to be solve and make improvements. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 11:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Drive-by comment - the lead seriously needs editing by someone whose first language is English and who isn't such a Britney superfan. Stuff like "She received the MTV Video Vanguard Award [...] for her Iconic Performances, Iconic Career, Huge Influence, and Impact On Music, Great Discography and Breath Taking Music Videos" is completely unencylopedic and not really coherent English, and "she became the First Teen female artist in history" is just nonsense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More specific comments on the lead
- "Spears is regarded as a Pop Icon, World Princess of Pop, Fashion Icon, and Pop Legend and is credited by critics with influencing the revival of Teen Pop during the late 1990s." - all unsourced and wholly inappropriate and unencyclopedic PR-type nonsense. I find it hard to believe that many people really think of Spears as a "fashion icon", and the other three basically all mean the same thing.
- "She is a pioneer." - of what? Completely meaningless.
- "Besides, Princess of Pop is an honorific nickname most commonly associated with Britney Spears" - unsourced, completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia and debatable whether it's even true.
- "she became the First Teen female artist in history" - unless there are quite a few words missing, this is just nonsense
- "garnered honorific titles including the "Queen Of Pop", "Empress Of Pop" and "The Ultimate Femme Fatale Pop Icon."" - more PR rubbish which does not belong in an encyclopedia even if sourced
- "No. 1 at the US Billboard 200 chart[1]." - "on the chart", not "at", also the ref should do after the punctuation
- "The album spawned worldwide massive hits" - peacock terms which really need to be re-written
- "all the 5 singles in this album peaked at Billboard 100 chart" - doesn't make any sense
- Why is Grammy Awards in italics?
- "the album also was nominated for Grammy Awards in the Best Female Pop Vocal Performance and holds the record for[...] best-selling teenage artist of all time" - how can an album hold this record?
- "fastest most no. 1 in UK chart" - I don't even understand what this is meant to mean
- "holds the record for [...] 5th Best Selling Female Artist in Music History" - you can't hold the record for being fifth best at something
TBH, given that I found all of those issues in less than two paragraphs, I think the article needs such a major overhaul that at this point it's an oppose from me........... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – agree with Chris. Get this copyedited by someone efficient in English and isn't a superfan. Plus, date formats are inconsistent, lead is a mess, many refs don't seem like RS's (Abolutebritney.com obviously seems like a fan site), among other things. – zmbro _(talk) 19:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to the director/delegates - the nominator has attempted to archive this nom him/herself, which I am pretty sure isn't allowed, so I have reverted, but he/she clearly wants to withdraw it..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. I've fixed it as described by ChrisTheDude and zmbro. First, lead is a mess and I've made a whole new lead which is better than before. Secondly, all the dates now are consistent. Again, let me know which part that I need still to fix it. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johhnyfrankie13: as suggested before, please please please get someone whose native language is English to copy-edit the lead (I suggest trying WP:GOCE). I counted at least 10 grammar errors in the first two paragraphs....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: I've already put the copy-edit template on the top of the award's page, but it's been 4 days since I put the template and nothing has changed. I'm sorry if I was wrong because I'm still new to Wikipedia. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 04:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, let's see if you get a response -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: & @ChrisTheDude: already get the copyedited and done. Okay, so can I add the BDS Certified Awards, Vevo Certified Awards, and Phonographic Performance Company of Australia into the award table?. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 23:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: & @ChrisTheDude: Hi, please response. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 23:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The lead certainly looks a lot better now, I will do a proper review later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Refs are still a problem. Few missing access dates and and there are still some missing in the table. – zmbro _(talk) 13:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's also some sources which look highly questionable in terms of reliability e.g. alexintvseriesland.altervista.org, funtrivia.com, top40-charts.com. And what the heck is ref 336 - some sort of online PowerPoint presentation? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: the sources for Guinness World Records is done. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the new lead

My only comment on the new lead is this:
- "In December 2019, Billboard named her the sixth Greatest All Time Pop Songs Artist, the fifty-eighth Greatest All Time Artist, and ranked her at seventy-first place on the list of Artists of the Decade 2010s." - get rid of all this. Being named the 58th greatest artist is not a significant achievement at all -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Done. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Starting on the table (this could take a while :-))

The sorting on the "work" column is mostly wrong. Any entry which is "Britney Spears" (the person) should sort under S, not B. Any entry that starts with puncuation (quote marks, dots, etc) should sort on the first actual word. Anything that starts with "The" should sort on the next word.
4Music - "World Greatest Popstar" => "World's Greatest Popstar"
Bambi Award => Bambi Awards
Billboard mid-year - "New Music From Britney Spears" - Music and From should not have capital letters
Billboard Music Award => Billboard Music Awards
Bizarre => Bizarre Awards, also the award she won was for Woman of the Year (not Women)
BRIT Awards - I am reasonably sure that Britney was *not* nominated for British Pop Act, for fairly obvious reasons (the award was called Best Pop Act, not British Pop Act)
CD:UK - the award column is missing completely
Golden Raspberry Awards - "Most Flatulent Teen-Targeted Movie" - this was an award for the film, not Britney, so has no reason to be here
MTV Awards - by the look of things, neither of these was awarded to the film itself, so it should not be the film's title in the work column. It should probably say "Britney Spears (for Crossroads)
MTV Italy - her name is spelt "Britnet" in one place
I got as far as M and I need a break :-) Back for more later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More table comments

Upon trying to resume at N, I noticed that none of the links in the table of contents from N onwards seem to work
Outer Critics Circle Award - the nominees were Spears and the other two women, not the show itself, so name them in the table, not just in a footnote
Pepsi - what awards are these? Just saying "Pepsi" and linking to the article about the brand is not very helpful
Stinkers Bad Movie Awards - the nominees were Spears and Mount, not the movie itself
Teen Choice Awards - Choice Breakout Movie Actres - as per above, the nominee was Spears, not the film itself. Also actress is spelt wrong.
Any award starting with The (eg The Record of the Year) should be alphabetised under the next word, not under T
Don't have an external link to britneyspears.com in the table
XM Satellite Radio Awards - the award was not called "Dream Duets (with Snoop Dogg)", so his name should not be in that column
That's what I've found, although I probably missed something......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the state honors table

Outstanding Archivement - spelt wrong
Key to the Vegas should be Key to Las Vegas, I would have thought -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: According to your comments above, this is all done. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to your comments above, this is all done - it is not all done. The sorting on the work column is still mostly wrong -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Done! Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is only partly done. You still need to change the sorting for anything that starts with a punctuation mark. At the moment ...Baby One More Time sorts at the top because punctuation marks come before letters. But it should sort based on the first actual letter (B). The same goes for anything that starts with a " - it should sort based on the first actual letter (so for example "Womanizer" should sort under W). Hope that helps -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Thank you for your explanation, and now is all done except I'm still finding the sources for the remaining boxes. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 10:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: and @Cowlibob:, @Dey subrata:, @CAPTAIN MEDUSA:, can you guys review this page because I believe it satisfies the Featured list criteria. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Medusa

Resolved comments from ~~ `CAPTAIN MEDUSA`^talk 19:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spears, Britney Why are you linking July 10, April 24, November 5 The ref is consistent. The first table uses {{Abbr\|Ref(s).\|References}}, second+third use {{Abbr\|Ref.\|Reference(s)}} Mr. and Mrs. Britney → Mr. Kevin and Mrs. Britney should be added Why are their soo many white spaces in the table???

add alt text for the main image
YouTube · ibtimes.com · gettyimages · are not reliable sources.
Don't use small text in the caption. It already makes it small.
In the infobox it says she won 235 awards but she only won 182 according to the list?
In the infobox it says she was nominated for 490 awards but she only was nominated for 296 awards according to the list?
website=billboard.com → website=Billboard
MP3 Music Awards links to MP3. What does this mean??????
class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" sortable=yes → no need to add sortable=yes because the sortable plainrowheaders does the job

- That's it for now. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 14:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: So for, all of your comment are mostly resolved also the reason I have a lot of space in reference because I have OCD which I think is more organized when there is distance, I'm so sorry for that. Johhnyfrankie13 (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Saiff Naqiuddin: I have closed the resolved comments. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 19:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA::

Y "In the infobox it says she won 235 awards but she only won 182 according to the list?" → the number of awards she won included 14 Golds, 4 Silver, 1 Bronze, 8 Runner-up, 14 places, and 13 Guinness World Records (runner-up, place considered wins in this award tally).
Y MP3 is the major organization of those awards (MP3 Music Awards)
Y YouTube · ibtimes.com · gettyimages · are not reliable sources → changed to reliable sources
Y website=billboard.com → website=Billboard|
Y add alt text for the main image
Y Don't use small text in the caption. It already makes it small
Y class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" sortable=yes → no need to add sortable=yes because the sortable plainrowheaders does the job

— Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 18:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MP3 is a file format. It is not an organisation -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

The text needs work. It is choppy and the tone is off
Barbie award is non-notable
Flickr links are a copyvio
CelebMix describes itself as "CelebMix is maintained by young people, for young people. In essence, Celebmix is a sandbox for aspiring journalists."; not a RS
"Votação recorde no nosso prêmio anual: 25 mil votos. Confira o resultado" needs a publication.
"Brazil Music Awards 2004 Britney Spears" links to a self-uploaded partial screenshot with broken embedded images
Capital Radio Awards is unsourced
CDDB Silicon Awards is non-notable. The Wikipedia page lined to is for a protocol, not an organization
CD:UK's award can't be Britney Spears
DanceStar Awards goes to a completely different awards page
GV Music & Fashion Awards is non-notable. Viewcount does not show notability
MP3 Music Awards is non-notable.
Music Video Production Association Awards is non-notable.
Neil Bogart Memorial Fund is non-notable.
Now! Awards list the citations with the award. Playing pin the source on the fact isn't optimal
Pepsi Awards looks like it was created for the marketing campaign and not a real award
None of the Pop Corn Music Awards pages seem to be cited to anything but themselves. I'm going to place this in the non-notable group
- Alamy is a photo company, not a RS
"Spanish Music Producers Awards" links a copyvio copy of Billboard.
Hochman 2014 isn't an RS because he is a contributor not a staff member
Star Search the award doesn't appear to be one of their categories and I have doubts that this is an award
Virgin Media Music Awards are questionable
Mousekeeter isn't an award
The Webbies don't appear to be given to Spears herself
Z Awards are non-notable.
Miss Talent USA is non-notable
The failed Britney Spears Days are really puffed
"Item inside Britney Spears Kentwood Historical & Cultural Museum" has no content and appears to be self-published
- Link to the wrong Kentwood
Outstanding Achievement Honor by Hammond Square Mall is non-notable
Outstanding Achievement in The Mickey Mouse Club is non-notable
"'Britney Day' Held To Celebrate Britney Spears' Las Vegas Show" needs a better source
Most Searched Person on the Internet has to be a former record
Hurst 2003 needs to have the series
None of the Cite foo templates are displaying the year in the correct place

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 21:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Guerillero: I will fix the better sources for several awards provided above but what do you mean by non-notable since like "Miss Talent USA" was an honor to spears when she was young, and the sources I put is satisfied Notability which is from the book. First, we must add an award that only has articles on Wikipedia but if the award does not have a page, we can link to the major organization to backing it up (like Barbie, Pepsi, etc). Second, the award show must meet WP:GNG and WP:ORG and it will already become qualifies as notable. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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