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The list was promoted by Giants2008 21:12, 21 October 2011 [1].

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Nominator(s): EricLeb01 (Page | Talk), Arsenikk (talk) 02:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One of hopefully six lists that feature World Heritage Sites to be nominated here. World Heritage Sites in Africa have had a rough time properly maintaining what gave them the prestigious label in the first place: diverse fauna and flora, important historical sites, culturally significant locations, and above all else, the fact that they have been relatively unscathed from the effects of continuous human evolution. Various risk factors have come into play in recent years, such as civil wars, poaching, illegal timber exports, and unrest; reasons for which UNESCO has placed 12% of the continent's site on their List of World Heritage in Danger, the highest percentage worldwide. Hopefully this list is satisfactory and reviewers enjoy reading it. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very glad to see this list at FLC. Looks very good. Just a couple of comments/questions/suggestions...

Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 10:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*"0 sites" should be mentioned in the map legend. If possible technically, the legend could be arranged partially horizontally to save space.
    • If by "0 sites" you mean sites whose area is marked with an em-dash, the information is mentioned under the description for the "Area" column. As for your second request, I'm sorry but you may need to clarify, as I don't quite understand what you mean. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I mean countries without any sites (marked white in the map). In my opinion each map color should be defined in the legend. The second part of my request is not that essential, but on my screen the legend in the map caption is arranged vertically which leaves some empty space to the right of it (within the caption area) and stretches the whole image/caption thing vertically.
        • I forgot to respond to this. The legend was modified but now the new map is ready and has been placed on the article. I'll get a legend done once I get to my computer later tonight. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 13:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • The new map looks very good. My only suggestion (in addition to the legend) would be to give it a bit more space, not to have the dots merge with the image frame. bamse (talk) 14:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'll see what I can do. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
              • Done. Guess I'm not that useless with Inkscape after all, haha. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                • If you want to practice more with inkscape ;-), you could change colors a bit (but not at all essential) for two reasons: i) countries with "1-2 sites" seem to merge because the color is too similar to the border color; ii) the color used for "no sites" is a bit too prominent for my taste; I'd prefer the brightness to increase gradually from 0 to 7+ sites. bamse (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Better? EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                    • IMHO, countries with few sites are too prominent due to the choice of color. I'd prefer a color scheme like this increasing gradually from white for no sites to red for 7+ sites (or green or any other color you like). If the bright colors are too similar to the border colors, border colors could be changed to black or dark grey. bamse (talk) 08:20, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Sorry, you said "I'd prefer the brightness to increase gradually from 0 to 7+ sites", so I thought you meant darker for 0 sites and brighter for 7+ sites. Changed the colors again, I'll update the legend later. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 19:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                        • Sorry my fault. I meant "darkness" (not brightness) to increase gradually. The present map is perfect if you also update the color in the caption/legend. bamse (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
                          • Done, and tweaked the colours a little. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How should overseas territories (both, with the main country in the map and the main country outside of the map area) be covered by the map?
    • I had never even thought of including, for example, Spain on the map. I consider it supplementary information provided in the Legend section. As for the overseas territory, see the next concern. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not including Spain, etc. on the map is fine with me, for the rest, see below. bamse (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apparently Canary Islands (belonging to Spain), one on Madeira (belonging to Portugal), one on Réunion (belonging to France), and one on Saint Helena (belonging to the United Kingdom) are not marked in the map.
    • As noted on the talk page, User:Arsenikk had made a different map which covered this issue. I would edit it to remove the wording, but I'm an absolute novice when it comes to vector graphics, and I have no idea how to do so. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I could edit it, but don't have an svg-editor at the moment. Did Arsenikk color these islands and if yes, in what color (including sights in mainland Spain for Canary Islands, i.e. 7+ sites color or not?) bamse (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • He did not. None of the territories were large enough to be included in the original source map, apparently. Only a dot was placed. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The scale bar in the map is too small to be readable for me. I don't think it is really necessary for this kind of map, so I'd get rid of it.
    • Yeah, it was on the source map and I had not noticed it until I uploaded it. As I said, I'm a novice with the SVG file type. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd do that, but as mentioned, can't at the moment. Probably either WP:GL/I or WP:GL/M could fix those map issues in a second. bamse (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I posted a request, thanks for the suggestion. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • As mentioned, requests have been fulfilled. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, did you make sure that the map projection is equidistant when you added the scale bar?
    • Answered just above. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Several efforts have been devoted..." by whom?
    • Done. [2] Clarified the link between that and the following sentence. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to do this" does not read well IMHO, maybe better spell it out what is meant here.
    • Tried to re-word it, but I'm not sure if it's clearer. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure what "(see below)" refers to or whether it should be used in wikipedia at all.
    • Done. It's no longer necessary with the link to the Danger article, which was further down the lead. But it was a bad addition to begin with, I agree. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a better way to write "The fund was ... funded..."?
    • Done, indeed there is. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • " funded by South Africa (US$3.5 million)" suggest to replace parentheses with "with".
    • Done. Agreed. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...conserving and protecting the regions..." not sure what regions are meant here?
    • Changed to "areas" because it's meant to designate the "human origin sites"... I don't know how to better specify without repeating the word "site". EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is table sorting implemented for sites that are in multiple countries or in more than one region?
    • Done. Described in legend. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Multiple regions should probably also be mentioned in the legend. bamse (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done, tried to word it concisely. I'll admit though, they were sorted randomly, so I'm going to go through them to change that. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Location – at city, regional, or provincial level" Should the country be mentioned in this legend?
    • Done. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will continue with a table review later. bamse (talk) 23:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the initial comments. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Table review:

  • "a aquatic" -> "an aquatic"?
  • Is "park is in the zone"->"park is located in the zone" better?
  • Is "housing" a good word in "housing of refugees in the park"
  • Not too fond of the uKhahlamba Park description (which is marked as direct quote) since it relies on "exceptional beauty" which might give issues with NPOV. I realize that it is not always easy to transform UNESCO's language full of superlatives to something suitable for an encyclopedia, so if you tell me that a direct quote is the only way to go here that's fine with me as well.
    • I whipped something up with fresh eyes.
  • "ranging over than 100,000 years." should probably be edited.
  • Capitalize "Christian".
    • I was told not to do so when it acts like an adjective... Googled it and found it was a bunch of crap, haha.
  • "The groups of stone circles are among over 1,000 monuments along the Gambia River." Do you mean "monuments of this type" or any kind of monuments?
    • Clarified.
  • "The site was deemed to be in danger as of 1999..." Has the reason for being in danger changed or should 1999 be replaced with 2011?
    • Nope, just bad writing on my part.
  • "spread across an area 200 km (120 mi)..." reads a bit confusing to me at first since I'd expect to find an area, not a length after the word "area". Only if it is confusing to you as well, maybe it can be phrased differently.
  • "between Sahara and Europe." article before Sahara?
  • I'd remove "is an exceptional area for the study of fauna and flora" from the Lake Turkana description since it not really neutral and would probably also apply to other natural sites in this list.
    • Removed all instances of the word.
  • "helped cemented the World Heritage Committee's decision"...
  • "The city remains, which is surrounded by a wall and feature buildings with Hindu and Arab influence, later transformed to gain a Baroque style by Jesuit missionaries." needs a copy-edit.
  • "resulting in a diverse species and large mammals." Is there something missing or should it be rephrased?
    • Still not too happy : "resulting ... in large mammals" needs an extra word or two such as ("the existence").
      • Done. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:39, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "including the Great White Pelican, the Purple Heron, the African Spoonbill, the Great Egret, and the cormorant", replace "cormorant" with the species name ("cormorant" itself is the family) or replace "the cormorant"->"cormorants"
  • "Many endangered species are in its surroundings as well", possibly "its"->"their", but honestly I don't really know what this sentence is telling me. Possibly needs to be rephrased.
    • Fixed with "within its boundaries".
  • In Al Qal'a of Beni Hammad: "The ruins... was founded..."
    • Still needs a copy-edit. My point was that the "capital" and not the "ruins" were founded. bamse (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, got it this time. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In "It features an 8-bay, 13-aisle mosque, and is one of the largest in Algeria." possibly "and is one"->"which is one"
  • "as of 2009, its position remains unchanged" why not as of 2011?
    • Seems to reflect the year I had written the sentence. Must have looked over it this year.
  • "in 2001, due to recent cave-ins" Recent at the time, no?

bamse (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the detailed review and copy-edit. I didn't reply to everything you mentioned, but they have been corrected. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 01:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for corrections. I am happy with almost all of it. Please see responses above for those that still need to be addressed. bamse (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "list of sites in danger"->"list in danger" (and possibly capitalized) since that's how UNESCO refers to it (i.e. always without "sites").
    • I'm thinking of moving the page to reflect this as well. After the FLC, of course.
      • Which page do you want to move where? bamse (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • "List of World Heritage Sites in Africa" to "List of World Heritage in Africa", similar to the danger list. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Hadn't realized that UNESCO doesn't use the phrase "List of World Heritage Sites..." (correct?). If true, the page should be moved (can be done by an admin now but doing it after FLC is fine with me). bamse (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...has designated 121 World Heritage Sites in Africa." and "...there are 76 cultural, 39 natural, and 4 mixed sites." Why is there a difference of two sites? bamse (talk) 10:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • ...whoops. Should be 127 sites, 81 cultural, 41 natural, 5 mixed. Done. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 12:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think you forgot to fix it in the article. bamse (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hahaha, I was in class and I completely forgot to save it. Good thing I posted here first though! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 20:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't say whether it is an issue since I am not a native speaker, but when writing about the World Heritage in Danger, you use "loose/gain status" which to me has negative/positive connotations while on the other hand losing/gaining the status is rather a positive/negative thing. bamse (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can see how reading it at first glance can be somewhat confusing; I don't believe it's confusing to the point of requiring a change, though. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 12:59, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support bamse (talk) 14:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and your support! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 18:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 11:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Archaeological Site of Leptis Magna: "who was had been born there." Excess word or two in there, depending on what the intent was.
  • Medina of Tunis: "testifying to Tunis golden age from the 12th to the 16th century." Should Tunis have an apostrophe at the end when used like this?
  • Mosi-oa-Tunya / Victoria Falls: "The falls of the Zambezi River, which is more than 2 km wide, plunges down...". "plunges" → "plunge".
  • Tipasa: Don't need one link to the city in the description, much less two. There's already a prominent link on the left for anyone interested.
    • Missed this, thanks.
  • Refs 30, 63, 64, 114, 117, 128, 136, 142, and 162 have hyphens that should be converted to en dashes. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • All done, thanks. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 03:40, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • In the map, you should add a note above the color squares that the dots on the map are the locations of the sites. As it would help the user understand better.
  • Also I would change the † to {{†|alt=In danger}} per ACCESS for JEWS readers and such.
  • Some of the PDF refs do not have |format=PDF in thier cites, you should add them.
  • In the Legend - The picture of sorting is now diffrent than what it uses now. If you want to use it I would change it to the ones used (due to WP updating to version 1.8) or better just write to click on the triangles in the header.
      – HonorTheKing (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. And I would appreciate if you could change the sort image as well, because I can't seem to find the image on Commons, if it even exists. Thanks for the comments. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 01:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Support - just the bellow part is need, and the image it self is called File:Sort both.gif.
          – HonorTheKing (talk) 01:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just one thing from above, Can you do the {{†|alt=In danger}} as above ?.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 01:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you wanted them all changed? Okay, fixed. Also I reverted your change to the map's legend; I originally made the first change you requested but changed the alt text instead of the caption. Oops, haha. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a very good list, but there's just one detail that troubles me: having "List" as a section title. Perhaps changing it to "Sites"? Parutakupiu (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I wasn't sure what to call it. Thanks for the suggestion! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 23:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two more things:

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