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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 09:32, 24 February 2010 [1].

List of Texas Longhorns head football coaches edit

Nominator(s): —NMajdan•talk 15:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Continuing in my Big 12 coaches phase, I am nominating the Texas list for FL. Hopefully, I have made all the changes to this list that have been requested in my other lists.—NMajdan•talk 15:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from KV5
  • Superscript daggers in the table.
    • Well, shoot. I know better than that. Fixed.—NMajdan•talk
  • No navboxes? Absolutely not a necessity, but I figured I would ask.

Otherwise well done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I see no glaring issues. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • How about adding a column for division champions? I added it to the Texas Tech list even though there's only one entry for the column but UT can fill it out a bit more: Mackovic (1) and Brown (5).
    • I don't think anyone cares about division championships. No trophies are given. Schools don't claim division championships. Basically, in the Big 12, a division champ is the team that lost the conference championship. I just don't think its worth including. Besides, I think that falls under WP:RECENTISM since divisions didn't exist until 1996. So a whole new column that would only be used for two coaches. I am against this idea.—NMajdan•talk 16:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The division champ isn't always the loser of the championship game. There are plenty of examples in the Big 12 where the division has had a tie: in 1999 and 2000, Kansas State and Nebraska were both north division co-champions, in 2001 with Colorado and Nebraska, in 2007 with Kansas and Mizzou, and in 2008 in the north with Mizzou and Nebraska plus, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech in the south. So there's multiple teams that have shared the division title but not advanced to the conference championship game. Divisions titles are widely used and recognized on their Template:CFB Yearly Record Entry, teams pages (Texas, Colorado, Texas Tech) and coaches articles. Also, the Big 12 recognizes the winners of the divisions according to their record book (here: http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/football/record_book.pdf) NThomas (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just don't think it is worth mentioning in what is already a tightly packed horizontal table (as seen on a 1024x768 monitor).—NMajdan•talk 17:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything else looks great! NThomas (talk) 04:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More comments
  • How about adding a sentence concerning Will Muschamp as he has been named "Head coach in waiting"? NThomas (talk) 03:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I just don't think that is necessary. This is a list of head coaches, not future head coaches. If we knew that Brown was going to retire at the end of the next season, and so we had a definite start date for Muschamp as head coach, then I could see it. But anything could still happen. Sounds like Tennessee went after Muschamp this past month and while he turned it down, it showed that he is going to remain a target by other schools and that it is not guaranteed he will stay at Texas.—NMajdan•talk 13:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – NThomas (talk) 16:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Tense problem here: "The Longhorns have played in 1,200 games during its 117 seasons."
  • Bible and Royal have been inducted in the College Football Hall of Fame." "in" should be "into".
  • Mack Brown's first name doesn't need to be repeated in the last sentence of the lead.
    • I do this for emphasis as I feel it is a very important sentence and his name, as the current head coach, is worth repeating.—NMajdan•talk
  • Is the Mack Brown-TexasFootball.com site related to the official Longhorns website? From going to the Texas athletic website once in the past, I remember it being that way. Want to ask about it anyway in case anyone else has questions about it.
    • Yes, it is the official website for Texas Football.—NMajdan•talk

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "They played without a head coach their first season. " stands in isolation and breaks the flow a little, you could merge it with the previous sentence which talks about them starting to play organized football. And I would suggest "coach in their first season" or "coach for their first season".
  • You repeat "Longhorns" five times in five sentences which doesn't help the prose.
  • Any thoughts on a totals row at the bottom of the table?
    • I don't think it is necessary. I like to keep these as simple and consistent as possible with these lists.—NMajdan•talk
  • "# - Number of coaches[A 1]" this doesn't read correctly to me - e.g. Mack Brown has 28 number of coaches? He's the 28th coach, but this key is not worded correctly. Maybe just replace "Number of coaches" with the information you've put in the note.
  • Sorting by OT in descending order, I get Mack Brown at the top despite him have — - I'd expect him to be at the bottom of a descending ordered list.
  • Same for the other columns where you have a mixture of 0's and —
    • I don't think this is possible. I had previously used {{tlx|ntsh|0}} but I found this put the dashes in between the 0s and 1s. Doing {{tlx|ntsh|999}} at least puts the dash completely outside the value range. Although a side effect of that, as you pointed out, is it sorts it at the top when in descending order. So, the question is, would you rather have the dashes in between the 0s and 1s or above the greatest value?—NMajdan•talk
  • I can't get the "archived" citations to work at all, but a more pertinent question, where is Bible and Royal's entry into the HOF cited?
    • I have added citations for the HOF entries. Yes, it appears WebCitation is down.—NMajdan•talk

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Term does not sort correctly. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Regarding the sort issue, I have raised an issue with it on another FLC and would like a discussion.—NMajdan•talk 15:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oppose until the sorting is sorted out. I have seen lists of much greater complexity (particularly cricket ones) that have their sorting correct). And as I discovered today, IE7 doesn't sort the C% column at the other FLC correctly, and I wouldn't therefore assume that IE6 would either, and that's 35% of all browsers according to Nmajdan's source here. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "The team has had 28 head coaches since organized football began in 1893 with the nickname Longhorns" Fuzzy logic, I'm not sure whether "with the nickname Longhorns" applies to. Also, a comma after this clause would be nice.
    • This has kinda become standard with these lists as this issue wasn't raised previously with my other lists. The Longhorns is the team's nickname and has been as such since the program began.—NMajdan•talk
      • I understand, but that doesn't mean it's right. I still have trouble decoding what is being said. How about something like: "The team has had 28 head coaches since it started playing organized football in 1893 with the nickname Longhorns, although they played without a head coach in their first season." Dabomb87 (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "win-loss percentage" En dash, not hyphen.
  • In the table, not sure if it's worth putting the number of championships next to the years they were won; it crowds the cells and seems redundant.
  • Otherwise, the list looks good; will support once TRM's sorting issue (which I can't find) and my comments are resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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