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The list was promoted by SchroCat 15:19, 20 January 2014 [1].

List of Nippon Professional Baseball players to hit for the cycle edit

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Nominator(s): --TorsodogTalk 06:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When User:Killervogel5 started updating the article "Hitting for the cycle" he wanted to make it more comprehensive beyond just MLB. To help him out I put together a list of NPB cycles. The list was always in good shape but I wasn't able to find a reliable source for the cycle list so I never pursued a FL. I was finally able to find one though so I cleaned it up a bit and put finishing touches on the list. I think it looks good now. Let me know what you think! --TorsodogTalk 06:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just happened to come back to WT:MLB today totally by chance and I'm so happy to hear that you finally got this nominated! Please let me know if and when it passes - I'll come back for a command performance just to get the cycle to featured topic. Cheers. — KV5 • Talk • 22:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 07:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Table listing cycles by players should have table caption "Nippon Professional Baseball players who have hit for the cycle, the date of its occurrence, team, league, and opponent" (matching the MLB list)
  • In the "Cycles by player" section, the pics at the right should be aligned thumb/right/upright (again matching the MLB one). This is to ensure that all the pics are at the same width (more aesthetically pleasing)
  • The general refs should have {{refbegin}} and {{refend}} at the top and bottom of the section, respectively. This will shrink the text so that it'll be the same size as the inline citations text.

—Bloom6132 (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More comments –

  • The first two entries on the list have the league as "Japanese Professional Baseball", but this redirects to the article on professional baseball in Japan. Shouldn't this link to Japanese Baseball League instead? If yes, then pipelink it.
  • Are JPB/JBL considered to be the antecedent to the NPB (the same way the American Association is considered part of MLB)? Or are they viewed as separate major leagues? If it is the latter situation, then delete the first two entries.
  • Ah, great catch on the Japanese Professional Baseball slip-up. Those links were definitely supposed to be Japanese Baseball League. And the JBL is definitely antecedent to NPB. The change was basically a rebranding and restructuring that occurred in the 1949-1950 off-season. NPB still counts all records and stats from the JBL days. --TorsodogTalk 23:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

—Bloom6132 (talk) 07:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Final comment –

  • Any ref that originates from a news source or newspaper should utilize the cite news template instead (just change "web" to "news" at the very beginning of the template). The "newspaper=" parameter should be used instead of "publisher=" (e.g. for The Japan Times) and replace "work=" with "agency=" (e.g. for Kyodo News)

—Bloom6132 (talk) 12:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed. Those cite templates can get confusing! --TorsodogTalk 01:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Looks to me like it meets all 6 FL criteria. Great work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Resolves comments from K. Annoyomous
Comments from --K.Annoyomous (talk)
  • WP:ALT: For lists, the alt text for images should identify the subjects. The image of Alex Ochoa is not chosen because he is "a dark-skinned man...", but because he is Alex Ochoa.
  • In the lead, Ochoa's full name should be used in the first sentence, and be wikilinked.
  • "...the same feat...": Is the feat hitting a cycle or hitting a cycle in both leagues? How it is read now is that the feat is hitting a cycle in both leagues.

--K.Annoyomous (talk) 20:56, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed the second two, but I just took the alt text from the MLB equivalent of this article. It doesn't use any names for its alt text. You're saying that the alt text for all of the images here should use the names of the players? --TorsodogTalk 01:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, because the images are presenting some of the players that have hit for the cycle, not ethnicity, fashion, etc. The "Importance of context" section explains this more clearly. --K.Annoyomous (talk) 08:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Makes sense. Changed the text to include names. Alt text has always been an issue for me. --TorsodogTalk 20:29, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - If you ever have time, it would be great if you create articles for all of the players, especially the Hall of Famers. Other than that, great job on the list, and I look forward to seeing more from you! --K.Annoyomous (talk) 08:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - nicely done. Only a few comments, which isn't enough for me to oppose.
  • In the key- "Player recorded a natural cycle" - this sounds awkward to my ears- "Denotes a natural cycle"?
  • The italic text thing in the Cycles by franchise section seems like it would run afoul of WP:ACCESS - is it even necessary, given that you give the active dates of the franchise?
  • Refs 7,8,11,12,13 are missing the "Kyodo News" publisher bit that you include in 14,15,16
  • Consider archiving your online references via a service like web.archive.org or webcitation.org- online refs have a nasty tendency to move, change, or get deleted years later, leaving the list with dead references.
--PresN 03:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • All fixed! However refs 8, 11, 12 and 13 aren't actually from "Kyodo News" articles. It isn't the publisher of The Japan Times, they are a Japanese news agency similar to the Associated Press. The Japan Times runs articles from them time to time. Should I include the actual publisher of The Japan Times, which is The Japan Times LTD, to alleviate the confusion or is that unnecessary? --TorsodogTalk 21:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think so. --PresN 23:14, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publisher added to Japan Times refs. --TorsodogTalk 00:56, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from Crisco 1492
  • I specifically left those dates out as to not clog up the lead with more and more dates. I figured they are in the table so why throw 4 more long dates into the mix if I didn't have to. Thoughts?
  • Good point! Different games. I will change to specify.
  • Are the Japanese names presented in Western order (Given, Family) or traditional order (Family, Given)? A note might be worth making. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Western order. I'll look into this and see what kind of template notes are available.
  • Yep, but I omitted it for the same reason as the first point. Disagree? --TorsodogTalk 01:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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