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List of National Football League annual passing yards leaders edit

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Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of a series of NFL annual statistic leaders that I'm working on. The style and format of the list is modeled after my recent successful FL nomination of List of National Football League annual receiving touchdowns leaders. Please let me know if there is anything that can be improved upon and I will do my best to address any and all concerns that are brought up in a timely manner. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EN-Jungwon

That's all. -- EN-Jungwon 16:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@EN-Jungwon: Thank you very much for the feedback. I've gone through and resolved all of these issues. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing. Use a consistent date format; there is a mix of dmy and mdy in the article. -- EN-Jungwon 06:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@EN-Jungwon: I have now made the date format consistent across all references. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. You can use User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates to fix the dates easily or just add the {{Use dmy dates}} template to the page. If you have time could you take a look at my FL nomination Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Music Bank Chart winners (2019)/archive1. -- EN-Jungwon 16:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I'll use that moving forward, it'll make my life a lot easier. I'm not experienced reviewing FL noms, but I'm going to put it on my list of tasks to give it a shot. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Brees has also lead passed for 5,000 yards in a season five times" - "has also lead passed" doesn't sound right. Does it mean that he was the passing leader and had a total of 5000+ that many times? If so, I think the valid wording would be "Brees has also been the passing leader with a total of over 5,000 yards five times"
  • "in the same year season" - either year or season, using both words together isn't valid
  • "Johnny Unitas, who lead the league in passing four times" => "Johnny Unitas, who led the league in passing four times"
  • "He was the first player to pass for over 5,000 yards in a season and lead the league in passing five times." => "He was the first player to pass for over 5,000 yards in a season and led the league in passing five times."
  • That's it, I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    has also lead passed" doesn't sound right. – It was meant to be "Brees has also passed for over 5,000 yards in a season five times", noting a specific milestone accomplishment (only 9 quarterbacks have ever passed for over 5,000 yards in a season and Brees has done it 5 times). I've made all of the changes and I feel silly for having missed these. Thank you for your feedback @ChrisTheDude. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • You say The NFL did not begin keeping official records until the 1932 season. In addition to the overall National Football League (NFL) passing yards leaders... You first mention the National Football League (and its abbreviation) after you use already used the abbreviation.
  • With his victory in Super Bowl LVII in 2023, Patrick Mahomes became the first player to lead the league in passing yards and win a league championship in the same season since George Blanda did so in the 1961 AFL season. seems a little wordy, could you convey this in a better way? (this one is nitpicky)
  • That's all, the list is in good shape. ULPS (talk • contribs) 01:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • You first mention the National Football League (and its abbreviation) after you use already used the abbreviation. – I've moved the first mention of the abbreviation, thanks for that catch.
    • seems a little wordy, could you convey this in a better way? – It does feel a bit clunky. Perhaps just shortened to: In 2023, Patrick Mahomes became the first player to lead the league in passing yards and win a league championship in the same season since George Blanda did so in the 1961 AFL season? I played around with some variations and this is the one that felt the most right.
    Thank you for taking the time to review this list @ULPS. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks good to me :) ULPS (talk • contribs) 14:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Having Joe Namath opposite the NFL table is a bit confusing, as the caption to his picture refers to something he did in the AFL. I'd suggest moving him alongside the AFL table, or at least specify in the caption that that's where he threw for 4k.
  • I'd also suggest swapping the order of the Brees and Marino pictures. Then everyone will be in chronological order (except Manning, who should remain top as the current record holder).
Harper J. Cole (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback @Harper J. Cole. I've changed the caption on Joe Namath to make it clear this was accomplished in the AFL instead of moving it to the AFL section. I like the progression of 3k to 4k to 5k and I think moving it to the AFL section might hurt the flow a bit. I did however move Brees' picture below Marino's, per your suggestion which I thought was a good point. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps swap Fouts and Namath then (again to preserve chronological order)? Harper J. Cole (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Harper J. Cole: done. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review – Formatting of the references looks okay and the link-checker tool shows no issues. However, I do have questions on whether footballperspective.com (ref 9) is a reliable source, as I haven't heard about this one before. Are there no stronger sources available for that particular sentence. Also, it is somewhat odd to say that Mahomes did this in 2023 when the table lists 2022; I know this is due to the timing of the Super Bowl, but it has the potential for enough confusion that an explanatory note may be worthwhile. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:29, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the review @Giants2008.
    • I changed the point about Mahomes in the lead to begin with After leading the league in 2022, ... -- do you think this is adequete?
    • Regarding ref 9 (footballperspective), there are quite a few sources out there that mention Mahomes being the first to lead the league in passing and win a Super Bowl. However, I was unable to find sources that also mention that Blanda won the AFL Championship in 1961. It felt disingenuous to state that Mahomes was the first player to lead the league in passing yards and win a Super Bowl when it would be leaving out the fact that there was NFL and AFL championships that came before the Super Bowl. I have added another source which doesn't mention Blanda in hopes that this strengthens the claim enough.
    Hey man im josh (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • If the footballperspective site isn't reliable, then I'm not convinced the sentence can stand as is, since as you said Blanda isn't mentioned in the newly added cite. Is there really nothing better that can be used? I know pre-Super Bowl history tends to be forgotten, but it would surprise me if nobody else mentioned this. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        @Giants2008: So, technically this site verifying this fact is just a blog, but it's a blog by a sports writer with an extensive history. The contact tab on the site mentions some of the site's owner's history and this bio here mentions that he was a writer for Pro-Football-Reference.com, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and FiveThirtyEight.
        I've spent over an hour looking since this comment and I've been unable to find a mention of Mahomes and Blanda in the same article in this context. There's a ton of articles out there about how Mahomes was the first to win a Super Bowl and to lead the league in passing, but those articles are focused specifically on the Super Bowl era. I've added a reference about Blanda having led the league in passing and won the AFL championship in the same year, but despite the AFL's history being absorbed by the NFL, it's not mentioned very often. Unfortunately, the only thing I can come up with would be SYNTH or OR probably, since there were 4 football seasons between the 1961 AFL championship that Blanda won and the first Super Bowl which took place after the 1966 season.
        While I do believe the author is credible, and the fact can be verified with OR and SYNTH, I understand that this source cannot be taken at face value. I changed the sentence in question to remove the mention of Blanda and it now reads "Patrick Mahomes led the league in passing yards in 2022 and became the first player in the Super Bowl era to do so and win a league championship in the same season." Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Image review

Crazy that this has waited so long seemingly only because of an image review(?), but I'll try to do one.

  • Assuming good faith on the images claimed as public domain because of the publishing date between 1928 and 1977. The Namath image seems to be for sale on Etsy but I guess someone might be able to make listings with PD images and that isn't necessarily a comment on its copyright status.
  • For File:Dan Fouts 1982.jpg, the source site seems to very loosely indicate it was taken in 1982 but I am not seeing any proof that it was "published in the United States between 1978 and March 1, 1989 without a copyright notice". Seems to show a 2017 submission date?

--NØ 20:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @MaranoFan. There have been quite a few football card sets that are police issue, at least 176 according to this link from the American football database Fandom wiki, and they're typically printed before the seasons start. I found two news articles from newspapers.com (1 and 2), which I'm unable to clip due to my account name on the site which would provide identifying information about me, which feature card #8 (Louie Kelcher) from the 1982 San Diego Chargers Police set. While it's not definitive, I think it makes it very unlikely the image in question was not also published with the rest of the set in 1982. I was unable to find an article featuring Fouts' image unfortunately so if this isn't enough then I can look to replace the image. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:40, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since we generally have a more relaxed attitude here at FLC, I am happy to pass this. Not seeing proof that any images weren't published in the year that is claimed. Best of luck!--NØ 16:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for your review and support! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. --PresN 02:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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