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List of Kim Hee-chul performances edit

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Nominator(s): Mshb73 (talk) — Lulusword (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Hee-chul is a South Korean entertainer, originally known for his singing career but recently has been recognised for his role in variety shows. Seven of his television shows are currently airing. As actor, he had acted in a few television shows and music videos. He also had dabbled in directing and screenwriting music videos. The article is maintained by Mshb73, and I've only been editing it since last month to help with the lead, references and formatting since I've managed to get another article to FL before. Lulusword (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments on the lead
  • "He started his career as a host in the weekly music shows Show! Music Tank" => "He started his career as a host on the weekly music show Show! Music Tank"
  • "He is a recurrent host of Inkigayo in between" => "He was a recurrent host of Inkigayo between"
  • "He had appeared as special host" => "He has appeared as special host"
  • "He first rose to prominence after hosting Radio Star in 2010 until 2011" - firstly it should be "between 2010 and 2011", but secondly I am not sure it's right to say he "rose to prominence" here. By 2010 he had apparently hosted a number of TV and radio shows, starred in TV shows and a film, and had a number of hit singles. I would say he was already quite prominent........
  • "In 2015, he was casted" => "In 2015, he was cast"
  • "His role in the show earned him his first nomination at the 56th Baeksang Arts Awards" - I would say "His role in the show earned him his first Baeksang Arts Awards nomination at the 56th ceremony" (note the links and piping)
  • "The duo had since released" => "The duo has since released"
  • "He is a regular cast in the reality shows Delicious Rendezvous and My Little Old Boy since 2019" => "He has been a regular cast member on the reality shows Delicious Rendezvous and My Little Old Boy since 2019"
  • "both which lead him to receive the Excellence Award" => "for both of which he received the Excellence Award"
  • "his first major award as an entertainer" - was his Best Newcomer Award at the 11th MBC Entertainment Awards in 2011 not a major award?
  • "He had acted in several music videos" => "He has acted in several music videos"
  • "both which were released in 2010" => "both of which were released in 2010"
  • That's it on the lead - I'll look at the rest later...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on tables (as far as radio shows)
  • "Works that have not yet been aired" - there are none, so no need for this in the key
  • It says that in Rainbow Romance his role was as "Kim Hee-chul". Did he play a character with the same name as himself? If he just appeared as himself, it should just say "Himself" like some of the other rows
  • Come to think of it, what is the difference between him appearing as "himself" and appearing as "cast member"? Do they mean the same thing?
  • "Regular host for episodes 428–434, 436–457 and 460–483, guest hosts for other 8 episodes, with various co-hosts" => "Regular host for episodes 428–434, 436–457 and 460–483, guest host for eight other episodes, with various co-hosts"
  • "Cameo appearance as "Madonna Band's fan"" - was this a character? If so, it should be listed in the role column instead of "Himself"
  • "Season 1, eliminated on round 7" => "Season 1, eliminated in round 7"
  • "Season 1 and 2" => "Seasons 1 and 2"
  • "Season 2, appeared as "Hoengseong Han-u Universal Big Star" in episodes 33" - firstly, it should be "episode 33". Secondly, what does "appeared as "Hoengseong Han-u Universal Big Star"" mean? Is this a character he played?
  • "Season 2–4" => "Seasons 2–4" (and similar in quite a few places) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mostly fixed. When we wrote himself means it was television series and he was a cameo. He appeared as character named "Hoengseong Han-u Universal Big Star". His nickname is universal big star and his hometown is Hoengseong. And in rainbow romance he play a character with the same name as himself. Mshb73 (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude Hi, I wrote "He first rose to prominence after hosting Radio Star in 2010 until 2011" because Radio Star change his career as entertainer. I also have a source. How do I explain this? Mshb73 (talk) 09:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean that this show made him much more well-known than he had been before.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No :) I understand your point, and thank you. Mshb73 (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on music videos table
  • "Kim collaborate with Min Kyung-hoon" => "Kim collaborated with Min Kyung-hoon"
  • "The video shows a girl, plays by Kim Hyang-gi," => "The video shows a girl, played by Kim Hyang-gi,"
  • "Park Yoo-chun, Kangin, Shindong, Joon Park, Kim Jang-hoon and Eru also appears" => "Park Yoo-chun, Kangin, Shindong, Joon Park, Kim Jang-hoon and Eru also appear"
  • "Kim Hee-chul and f(x)'s Victoria starred in the music video" => "Kim Hee-chul and f(x)'s Victoria star in the music video" (all other descriptions are in the present tense so this one should be too)
  • "but he kept being interrupted by other people" => "but keeps being interrupted by other people"
  • "All proceeds from the song and its music video is donated" => "All proceeds from the song and its music video are donated" (proceeds is a plural word)
  • "It includes cameo appearance of many artists" => "It includes cameo appearances of many artists"
  • "The music video features Kim as a selfish boyfriend, and frequently abandon his girlfriend" => "The music video features Kim as a selfish boyfriend, who frequently abandons his girlfriend"
  • "He eventually straighten up" => "He eventually straightens up"
  • "presented with the idea of having a relationship with Kim Jin-kyung" - no idea what this means. Who is having the relationship with Kim Jin-kyung?
  • "It was later revealed that it is just a dream" => "It is later revealed that it was just a dream"
  • "The music video has managed to present LGBT" => "The music video presented LGBT issues" (you can't "present LGBT", that doesn't work in English)
  • "The music video has Kim cosplays" ="The music video has Kim cosplaying"
  • "Nucksal and Killagramz appeared" => "Nucksal and Killagramz appear"
  • "Kim and Park Yoo-na portray a couple who had just broken up" => "Kim and Park Yoo-na portray a couple who have just broken up"
  • "she appears to had already moved on" => "she appears to have already moved on"
  • "The duo managed to impress Itzy with their performance, and receive standing ovation from the group" => "The duo manage to impress Itzy with their performance, and receive a standing ovation from the group" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. Except "presented with the idea of having a relationship with Kim Jin-kyung", her boyfriend didn't appearance in video. I don't know how to explain it. Mshb73 (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding on the above, the first half of the music video is shown from the viewer's perspective, making it looks like the viewer is Kim Jin-kyung's boyfriend. Lulusword (talk) 14:30, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for clarifying. I would suggest "The music video begins from a first person perspective as if the viewer is having a relationship with Kim Jin-kyung" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alexandra

  • All images should have a brief piece of alt text attached
  • Alvin and the Chipmunks should link to Alvin and the Chipmunks (film) (it does not currently in the lead)
  • We should say "the South Korean dub of Alvin..." rather than "the South Korean version", as the latter could be interpreted as a South Korean remake of the film
  • The image captions that are complete sentences (the ones for the three pictures under "Music videos") should have a period at the end; the three images of Kim have sentence fragments as captions and are already fine
  • Even with the footnote for "avatar blind date", the concept is unclear to me - what do you mean when you say that a person is controlled by someone else?
  • Speaking of - "Avatar blind date" refers to a situation in which the person who attended a date should be in present tense, correct?
  • who takes part in Im entertaining antics and infectious dance. - I believe "Im" should be "Im's" here. Additionally, characterizing this as "entertaining antics and infectious dance" is non-neutral - rewrite without inserting opinions in Wikipedia's voice.
  • that he can only see in his television screen. - "who he can only see on television."
  • The music video presented LGBT issues - I believe this should be in present tense
  • "mentally retarded" is considered an offensive term in modern English - switch to "developmentally disabled"

Please @ me when you have addressed the above, and I will take a second look. --AlexandraIDV 13:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Alexandra IDV, Avatar blind date is sort of like a prank date, where a good looking man/woman (the avatar) went to the date in lieu of another person (the controller). The avatar will wear an earpiece and listen to instructions from the controller such as "tell her she looks pretty" or "ask her what's her favourite movie" etc. The goal is for the controller to essentially "go on a date" without having to show his face, and then reveal himself at the end of the date(s) if it/they went well. In the original version from the variety show, all participants know about it beforehand but in the music video, the woman lead have no idea. In the music video, the avatar (Kim Hee-chul) fall in love with the woman lead for real and decided to go out with her as himself in the end instead of being an avatar of another person. I honestly have no idea how to fit this whole explanation in the footnote haha. Other issues you pointed out had been addressed. :) Lulusword (talk) 07:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Lulusword: Thank you, I've confirmed that the changes are implemented. Regarding the avatar date, I think something like In an "avatar blind date", one person attending is receiving instructions for how to act through an earpiece. might work.--AlexandraIDV 18:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it is also good to list his Youtube appearances. (for instance on Jessi's channel, and his new youtube show on studio lululala) DueltodeathUser talk:Dueltodeath 14:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dueltodeath Hi, heechul appeared in Jessi's channel as guest. About his new youtube show on studio lululala, i can't find reference. Mshb73 (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it's a new show with April's Naeun and Kim Poong. You can find it if you search Studio Lululala on youtube. Dueltodeath (talk) 04:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I watched his new show on YouTube. I think YouTube isn't acceptable sources. Mshb73 (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should't write "Mystery 6" and "Super Junior Mini-Drama" bc both of them are variety show and he was cameo. If they were drama we could include them. and i add his new show "School Meal". It was "Bangkok Chorus" -> "Stay-At-Home Chorus". and he was Contestant in "Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend" ep. 6.

Hello, I added the references for Immortal Songs but there isn't any news article about School Meal so it is non-notable. If there are any in the future, I will add it back. Lulusword (talk) 09:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I search about "Mystery 6" and "Super Junior Mini-Drama". "Mystery 6" is horror mockumentary so i'm not so sure about it. But "Super Junior Mini-Drama" was a variety game show and Heechul was a cameo so i think we should remove it from his list. Mshb73 (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He did appear in Mystery 6 although it is just a small part, so that should be listed, and I watched Super Junior Mini-Drama a bit, and see that he is only introduce in the opening credits so it can be removed, I guess. It's up to you, really, since you are more familiar with his work. Lulusword (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I removed Super Junior Mini-Drama from the list. Mshb73 (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lulusword Ok. Thanks.

@Lulusword I find this reference for Catering Restaurant (2020). -> (https://1boon.daum.net/studiolululala/10sikdang) Mshb73 (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.. It looks like a blog post to me, so it's not a reliable source. Lulusword (talk) 00:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the only one who thinks it's so weird that no source can be found?!!! Mshb73 (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Heechul talked about hosting "Kim Hee Chul Is Coming" in episode 203 Knowing Bros but i can't find reference. Mshb73 (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should remove SJ Returns Season 2. Heechul isn't on it.

Source review – Pass edit

Thats a lot of references! Thanks for both of your's effort here – I'll do this soon, although it may be in chunks. Aza24 (talk) 08:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retrieval dates look consistent – thank you
  • You link Naver but no other publishers/websites? Consistency is best here, so either link all or none (you can also link only the first mentions)
Done. Mshb73 (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the episodes in 149, 150 & 151, I wonder if a timestamp could be included where the quote is from? Otherwise it's a little odd citing an entire episode.
I can't understand?! Mshb73 (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mshb73, in refs 155b, 154b, 153a you have quotes, but you cite the entire episode. Similar to how we give page numbers when we cite books, I'm wondering if you can give a timestamp (e.g. how many minutes in the episode) for when each of the quotes are said to improve the ease of Wikipedia:Verifiability. Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. (except: Morning Wide Season 3 - Episode 7056 , i can't find full episode) Mshb73 (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formatting is good otherwise
  • Nothing stood out to me about the reliability of any sources Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mshb73, in the future I would highly recommend pinging the participants of your FLCs/FACs – it will result in faster responses and communication (for example, you may want to ping Hal below now that you've addressed his comments. Use {{ping|Name-of-user}} anyways, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. :) Mshb73 (talk)

Comments Support from Aza24 edit

  • Found some non-source related things I thought I'd bring up:
  • The prose of the lead is rather dry, mainly because way too many sentences begin with "He". I would think some of them should begin with "Kim" and some should begin with something entirely different. Otherwise, the prose reads rather robotic and choppy
  • The note column of "Film performances" is sortable; assuming it shouldn't be, like the other note columns
  • You may want to consider breaking up the long year row in TV shows to something like 
    2005–2008, 2010,<br/> 2014–2015, 2017
  • None of the TV shows sortable columns are sorting for me?
  • For the rows in events with no "partner" (e.g. "HongKi <FM302> Solo Debut Showcase") you may want to add 
     data-sort-value="ZZZZ" |
    which will sort the empty ones to the bottom
  • He plays in not A
  • Is there a reason "Super Junior" is listed as "Super Junior 05" once?
  • You link Super Junior everytime but not Cameo
  • There are some appearances in TV with the season listed and some without, I would think having all of them with is ideal
  • You could also link Pilot episode but idk Aza24 (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly fixed. I can't do sortable columns on TV shows too, i don't know why?! I didn't season listed some TV shows bc they don't have season. Mshb73 (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's looking better, there's still an unaddressed comment about "Super Junior 05" and the prose of the lead is still too robotic sounding with all of the "he"s. Also see my source review above this. Aza24 (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK. About "Super Junior 05" i wrote this note: Super Junior 05 was a 12-member project group, which debut on November 6, 2005.[22] In 2006, Following the addition of thirteenth member Kyuhyun, the group dropped the suffix "05" and officially named as Super Junior. Mshb73 (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'm willing to support, thanks for your changes. Though the source review above is still unresolved. Aza24 (talk) 04:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Since the subject is a Korean, shouldn't the dates be in international format?
I think they are in international format!
  • If you place the scope on the titles in the Music Video table, then why not do it throughout?
Done. Mshb73 (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. ~ HAL333 20:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HAL333 hasn't come back to this nomination, so I looked into the two issues; there is no "international format"- see Date format by country. While the reference dates seem "American" to me, South Korea seems to use e.g. "2021/01/28" or "2021년 1월 28일", but when writing in English uses American style (MDY), so that's all good. I can plainly see that the scope issue is sorted out, so I'm not going to wait for the reviewer to return just for that. Closing, promoted. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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