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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

List of Jewish Medal of Honor recipients edit

Nominator(s): Kumioko (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the criteria for a featured article Kumioko (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "an ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of" "originating from". Or perhaps "descended from"?
  • There is no mention of the Medal of Honor at all in the lead. Remember that the lead is a summary of the article.
Done. --Kumioko (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Since the American Civil War when the Medal of Honor was instituted 21 American Jews have received the Medal of Honor for their actions, three of them were posthumous."-->Since the American Civil War, when the Medal of Honor was instituted, 21 American Jews have received the Medal of Honor for their actions; 3 were posthumous.
  • I feel there is too much detail on American Jews. The second paragraph is unnecessary, IMO.
Its gone. --Kumioko (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As a contrast, Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics estimated the Israeli Jewish population was 5,435,800 in 2007 (75.7% of the average population)."-->In contrast, Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics estimated the Israeli Jewish population to be 5,435,800 in 2007 (75.7% of the average population).
  • Where's the ref for the quotes (or the general ref)?
  • Check the toolbox; there are two disambiguation links. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Both fixed. --Kumioko (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref 7 needs a publisher and last access date.
Done.--Kumioko (talk) 00:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In ref 1, the Bartleby link to "Jew" only goes to the main page. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • This has not been resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done. Sorry it took me so long I couldn;t find it on the web and I was struggling with the Note formatting. I had to change it to a book citation and I wanted to verify that it was actually in the book. If you look up Jew in The free dictionary it uses the same verbage taken from the same book (older version though). Let me know if its still not right.--Kumioko (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Names are not sorted properly. It's probably because the people who were award posthumously are sorted wrong somehow. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 21:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Its because I had the * before the nowrap. Its fixed now--Kumioko (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • There should not be a space between "Jew" and the footnote in the first sentence.
Done.--Kumioko (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "absorbed into the Jewish community throughout the millennia" - Which millennia? The millennia Before Christ too?
Done. I reworded this.--Kumioko (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quotations should be cited in the lead per WP:LEAD.
  • "This along with the * , indicates that the Medal of Honor was awarded posthumously" - I don't think a comma is needed here.
Done.--Kumioko (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I don't usually mess with images though so someone should take a look and make sure I did it right.--Kumioko (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that it looks pretty good. Nice work! TheLeftorium 09:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, balloonman (talk)
Comments from balloonman (talk · contribs)

Comments from Balloonman:

  • "The United States currently has the second largest Jewish community in the world (after Israel) depending on religious definitions and varying population data." ---> "Depending on religious definitions and varying population data, the United States currently has the second largest Jewish community in the world (after Israel)."
Done. I combined the first to paragraphs in the lead to flow better.--Kumioko (talk) 02:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, the entire first paragraph of the American Jew section is redundant with the lead. One of those two sections needs to be cut/trimmed.
  • This is a side note, but I think the 1993 study should have an article.
Thats a good Idea, I don't know if there is enough info on that one specifically without violating the no orginial research covenant but if it covered the contraversies in general including perhaps the purge that was done (in the 50's I think) it could be very good I think.--Kumioko (talk) 02:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same note as the African American medal of honor winners. Quotes that don't start at the beginning of the sentence need to be identified via brackets or "..."---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 01:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I went with the brackets.--Kumioko (talk) 02:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again I have questions/concerns about the references and quotes, but I'll defer to more experienced FLC reviewers on this.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 01:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I put the reference in the notes column. Hopefully that will be ok.--Kumioko (talk) 02:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose for the moment.
    • The lead is very strange for me. One para on Jews, one para on the medal of honor. Is there any significance in Jewish MOH winners? What makes this group so significant? Is there a list of Catholic winners? I'd like to be convinced in the lead that this list is really needed.
      • This is going to be a bit of a long comment but here goes. There is a jewish list for a couple reasons, 1) an assessment was done and it was determined that this minority group in the US had some recipients that where not awarded the Medal of Honor due to the fact that they where Jews. 2) there has been documentation written specifically targetting this population where as there has not been for other religious groups, 3) If someone wrote a book about catholic recipients or if there was some way to determine who they are I would be glad to make a list about them. For the time being there is not. Additionally, since this is considered a minority group in the US inline with Women, African-Americans, Hispanics, etc saying this list is no required would be a defacto statement saying they are not required which outside the US they may not be but within the US they are (IMO).--Kumioko (talk) 14:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, I'm not 100% convinced but it won't stop me supporting, as long as everything else is dealt with. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Provided I can be convinced this list is required, the remaining comments should be dealt with.
    • The only part of the lead which integrates Jews and MOH is the very last sentence re: Rubin's award.
    • What's USO?
      • I clarified it and linked it to the article --Kumioko (talk) 14:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is there a link for Grand-Pre? And Eclisfontaine?
      • Not in the English WP. In the french they are only stubs from what I can find and since its an American related article it wouldn't (IMO) link to an article or reference that most would not be able to read. --Kumioko (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Shiloh, Tennessee, Vicksburg, Mississippi, etc." what does etc. mean here?
Done, this is what the Medal of Honor citation had but I removed the etc, I doubt anyone will miss it. --Kumioko (talk) 12:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The links in the references shouldn't be in-line. You need to use the "#tag:ref" thing.
      • Not sure what you mean could you clarify please? --Kumioko (talk) 14:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Look at the way the [nb]'s are referenced in John Wark for a couple of examples. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I am still confused, can you give me an example of a ref I need to fix? --Kumioko (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Your refs 4, 5 and 6 have nasty links [en.wikipedia.org ] for instance. Look at John Wark's nb references which are footnotes with correctly formatted references as well. You need this #tag:ref trick. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Ok I fixed these, I expaned 2 of them as cite web references and I moved 2 of them into notes and created a seperate notes section. I also moved ref1 to the notes section because it appears to be more of a note type reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumioko (talk • contribs) 14:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 11 = External link - why the repeat?
      • I deleted the External link section. --Kumioko (talk) 14:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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