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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 16:30, 18 November 2008 [1].

List of Irish ODI cricketers

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I am nominating this article because I believe it satisfies the FL criteria: it's comprehensive (only 29 players have represented Ireland and the stats are up to date) and the lead explains the article (a bit about what ODI cricket is and the background of Irleand and ODI). All comments and suggestions are welcome. Nev1 (talk) 00:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would reconmend creating articles for the red links. If this is done then I will support. 02blythed (for some reason I cannot sign.

Not a problem, as these people have played international cricket they satisfy notability crieria. I'll get on it right away. Nev1 (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now done, everyone on the list has their own article. Nev1 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I therefore believe it fulfills all the FL criteria and Support this nomination. 02blythed ( I still cannot sign properly.

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "This is a list of Irish One-Day International (ODI) cricketers." – remove bold because of link per WP:BOLDTITLE
  • reword the "this is a list of" to make it more interesting; check List of mergers and acquisitions by Adobe Systems, List of Oklahoma City Thunder head coaches, and List of ISS spacewalks for ideas
  • "Twenty-nine" – "29" per WP:MOS; needs to be moved somewhere else since sentences can't begin with numbers
  • "and one tie" – "and 1 tie" – per WP:MOS because when comparing numbers they need to all either be numbers or letters to be consistent (within the same sentence)
  • I don't think there's any need for the text to be small in the table. Just make it normal size.
  • Perhaps italicize and indent "Statistics are correct as of 3 November 2008."

Gary King (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changes implemented. The text was smaller to make the table look a bit neater, but you're right it doesn't need to be small. Nev1 (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Oppose Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "and that each team has only one innings" "innings"-->inning.
    • "Inning" is not the singular of innings in cricket. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "By reaching the final of the 2005 ICC Trophy"-->Because it reached the final of the 2005 ICC Trophy...
    • I don't believe this phrasing is superior to the one already used. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • After reading the original sentence a couple times, it is OK. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which took many pundits by surprise" Which pundits? Where's the source for this statement?
  • "Ireland qualified for the 2007 World Cup where they progress to the super eights" Several issues:
    • Comma after "Cup".
    • "progress"-->progressed.
    • What are "super eights"?
      • Explanation added that it's the second stage of the tournament. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Irish cricket has suffered" "suffered"-->experienced. Less POV.
    • I don't believe this is POV as some of Ireland's best players are choosing to play for their counties, meaning Ireland are forced to play less experienced players. However I realise it could be argued from the other direction that it's giving the younger players exposure, so have changed it. Nev1 (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "something that is not possible in Ireland" Why?
    • Explanation added that it's not possible because there is no professional structure in Ireland and no professional teams. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'have been labelled the "leading associate".' Meaning?
    • Explanation has been added that this means they are the best non-Test playing nation. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't see this explanation. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • In the second paragraph: "Ireland are one of only two associate nations to be part of the rankings; associates are the next level of team below those that play Test cricket". Therefore the leading associate means the best non-Test playing teams. Nev1 (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "115*" Why is there an asterisk by the number?
    • This means the batsman was not out, this will be addressed by the addition of a key. Nev1 (talk)
      • Actually, running prose should not have symbols, use en dashes or parentheses for this information instead. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Changed to "not out" , for which * is shorthand, in the prose. Nev1 (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "763 runs 35 wickets" Shouldn't these quantities be separated by "and"?
  • The table needs a key.
    • In progress. Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • A key has now been added. Only terms which do not have a wikilink at the top of the table have been included as the link should provide enough explanation. Nev1 (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "occassion"-->occasion. (twice in the article)
  • "embarked on a break"-->took a break
  • "commitments with his county side" What is a county side? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • You don't believe it's clear what a county side is from the third paragraph of the lead? Nev1 (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, I had not made the connection between the county cricket system and "county side". Dabomb87 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add all the terms to the key, even the linked ones; readers should not have to leave the article to be able to understand the table.
  • The key has now been expanded to include all abbreviations used in the table. Nev1 (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the key to above the table.
  • "The record for best bowling figures in an innings for Ireland in ODIs belongs to Andre Botha who took 4/19 against Kenya on 24 August 2008." Comma after "Botha". Dabomb87 (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by SatyrTN
  • The first instance of "cap" in the lede should be wikilinked
  • I'd like to see the table sortable. Since the "rowspan" headers don't work for a sortable table, I recommend adding "Batting", "Bowling", and "Fielding" to the Key. You will need to make use of the {{sort}} template for the 100/50 and BB columns.
  • BTW, the "100/50" column header isn't bold like the rest
  • Wikilinking the header columns (Runs, Avg, Overs, Runs, Avg) is a bit strange, IMO. I would add them to the Key and wikilink there. The two "Runs" and "Avg" columns should probably be differentiated, as well.
  • I Conditionally Support this candidate after some of the fixes above are taken care of. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly done. The sorting issue is a tricky one to solve, and one that's cropped up on other lists. I've completely removed the top line of the table and now it sorts fine. I don't think the top line was necessary, but if anyone disagrees, it can be reinstated. Nev1 (talk) 14:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can I recommend doing the Key like this? As for sorting, are the "100/50" and "BB" columns sorting correctly? I don't understand what those mean, so they may be fine - I'm just checking :) Also, the "HS" field isn't sortable and probably should be? Finally, you'll want to make use of {{sortname}} to sort the Name column by last, first. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
New key implemented. 100/50 and BB sort fine (although it's a shame about the dashes in BB). HS doesn't sort properly, the only way to do it would be to convert every highest score to three digits (ie: 3 would become 003 and 17 would become 017). I've played around with {{sortname}}, but I just can't get it to work, are you sure it can be used in tables, I've only ever seen it sorting categories. Nev1 (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've added {{sortname}} to the name column and added the sorting capability for the HS column. The HS column sorting automatically interprets numbers (so you don't need to worry about 325 coming before 37).
As an aside, the key still has "an innings that ended not out", which is grammatically incorrect. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks for fixing that (and somehow you got HS to sort properly!)
In cricket, innings is both plural and singular, so to say "an innings" is fine (eg: "he had a good innings"). Nev1 (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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