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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by Crisco 1492 03:22, 15 November 2014 [1].

List of How I Met Your Mother characters edit

Nominator(s): Bilorv ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 06:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Following a previous nomination, with only one comment (a support vote), I am hoping this renomination will get a bit more attention. No issues were raised in the past nomination and I think the article is FL standard. Bilorv ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 06:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm sorry, but this needs MANY more citations. The "Guest stars" and "Other characters" are almost entirely unreferenced, and many of the "Secondary characters" have no references at all. On another note, Marshall's father should simply be described as "Marvin Eriksen" and son should be "Marvin W. Eriksen" (or "Marvin Wait-for-it Eriksen"), and "intelligent but gullible" should simply be "gullible". Of the references that are used, it relies to heavily on the episodes themselves. More secondary sources should be used. I suggest withdrawal, and perhaps putting up for peer review, as this is going to need extensive work to meet FL criteria. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start by saying that I'm perfectly fine with you opposing — I'm just really glad to get a comment here, but I'd like to try and get a better understanding of what the problems are and why.

Citations: in the criteria, it has a quick link to WP:CS, which states "This page explains how to place and format citations" — I hope you'd agree that all citations in this article are formatted fine. It also links to WP:V: generally, everything in the article is sourced to the TV show itself — there's simply no other authority on an article solely focused on How I Met Your Mother. Not a single thing, to my knowledge, has ever been challenged, but there are 37 references in the articles, put in all places I thought material was likely to be challenged and several more. So that's why there are unsourced sections: How I Met Your Mother itself is a general reference for just about everything in the article.

I can't find (and don't even think there is) a featured list on characters from TV series X — the closest I can find are List of human Sesame Street characters (which seems pretty irrelevant), List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters and List of Naruto characters. Please point out if I've overlooked a relevant FL, but I've got little to base this article's format off. Following Naruto, I could reference all 208 episodes of HIMYM and have occasional incites to them, as well as Footnotes for any non-HIMYM sources: I'd be happy to do this if you thought it would be a good idea. Tokyo Mew Mew follows a similar style to this article: Notes for any explanations needed, and Footnotes for anything not sourced to the manga/anime, or anything contentious.

For secondary sources, what are we looking for? I assume you're thinking about 3(a) here: what is stopping the article from being comprehensive?

I think I've fixed the "Marvin" issue and I changed "gullible".

As for peer reviewing: well, I've been there and the article got little attention. Same with the previous FL nomination and even this one. I don't think withdrawing the FL nom and putting up for PR will help anything — make your comments here and if it's too much to deal with, I'll withdraw or let the nom fail. Bilorv ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 17:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Marvins" and "gullibility" are addressed, good work on that. As for secondary sources to use, I recommend things like episode reviews or announcements for upcoming guest stars. The citations used are formatted properly, but "Zap2It" is not a reliable source, and I'm really skeptical about "Popculturology". It's going to take substantial work to get this up to standard since most of the characters are unsourced, and is best done outside of this FLC nomination. The Sesame Street list you linked to is actually a really good example to follow. Good luck. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zap2It is reliable, but I've backed this up with another citation to Digital Spy anyway. I've removed the Popculturology citations — there's still one citation left for that fact and more detail in both The Mother (How I Met Your Mother) and Last Forever. I'll look for more citations and real world detail, but are you just suggesting that I do this just for guest stars? Should I do this for all major characters? All secondary characters? Should I go through reviews of all 208 episodes and see what I can find? Bilorv ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 16:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: are these changes to Victoria, Abby, Honey and Karen the sorts of changes you recommend? Bilorv ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 10:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's a good start. However, you'll have to cite ALL characters, and that's going to be too much work to do within an FLC nomination. Let this nomination close, work on the referencing, and then renominate. A good rule of thumb is to have at least one citation at the end of each paragraph/bullet line. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been Archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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