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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:54, 6 June 2009 [1].

List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2007 (Canada) edit

Nominator(s): -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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First nomination in almost a month. The prose and referneces were written and researched by me in less than 6 hours, and had a minor copy-edit from Dabomb87. Also my first nomination related to record charts. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 03:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thinking of putting the albums of the number-one singles, since I feel that they are important, and are related to the article. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 05:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Restarted on 19:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments

  • Personally, I would switch the two paragraphs around. The article is about the number-one singles of 2007, not the Hot 100. It's not actionable; you don't have to do it. Just something to ponder.
I, personally, like to introduce the bigger "item" before the specifics. Also, most lists do this, so... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 07:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the easter egg link (2007) which no one will click on. You already have it in the See Also section, which is the right place for it.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 07:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matthewedwards :  Chat  06:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • I think it would be relevant to include info on the "Canadian content" requirement.
I was trying to find more information about how the Canadian content criteria works on the online version, but I couldn't find any relevant sources to it. If you could find the criteria for it, then go ahead and add it on to the article.
  • "single of 2007, beginning its run atop the chart for the last nine weeks of 2007, and the first four weeks in 2008."-->single of 2007; it was the number-one single for the last nine weeks of 2007, and the first four weeks in 2008.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Plain White T's' "Hey There Delilah", and Kanye West's "Stronger" all stayed at number one"
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "having been on the chart for 12 weeks."-->and his singles were number-one for a combined 12 weeks.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Britney Spears' "Gimme More" is noted for its jump from 25th to 1st place on the Canadian Hot 100, making it the largest leap to 1st place in 2007."-->Britney Spears' "Gimme More" went from 25th to 1st place on the Canadian Hot 100, the largest jump to the number one in 2007.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Rihanna, Fergie (with the Black Eyed Peas), and Britney Spears all have had another number-one single on the Canadian Hot 100.[5]" This is unclear, do you mean "multiple number-one singles"?
I meant that they all had another number-one single on the Canadian Hot 100. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "first ever number-one single."
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dabomb87 (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

What makes it not reliable? To be honest, I have no idea how I found it. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They don't have a reputation for fact-checking. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you could at least AGF on the source, since I don't really see anything wrong with it. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At the highest level of quality content, I can't just "AGF"; we have to use the best sources possible. aCharts does not describe its method of obtaining its information, and is not backed by a reliable third-party institution. There is no evidence to demonstrate that aCharts is a reliable source. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's the only free source that could provide every single Canadian Hot 100 charts. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 18:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Globe and Mail" should be italicized.
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dabomb87 (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks good to me (prose). However, why not widen the columns—especially the first one, for dates—so that the text is less likely to wrap on default display size? September onwards wrapped on my display until I grabbed the corner and widened. There's tons of space to the right.
Well the list is already stretched to 50%, which is the minimum for my featured lists. The reason why I didn't stretch the Issue Date column is because I don't feel the need to do that. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • All but a few references are to the Nielsen Billboard site. I presume this is reliable; but take "The online version of the chart features the Canadian flag next to tracks that qualify as Canadian content.[2]". Where on the site can I find the information that supports this claim about Canadian content? Tony (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Though it seems pretty obvious to some that the Canadian flag means that the artist was probably raised from Canada, there is no source for it!, which angers me. So to answer your question, there is no site you can find the information that supports this claim about Canadian content. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 17:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update Most of my concerns have been resolved. Here are the remaining two:

  • I think it would be relevant to include info on the "Canadian content" requirement. Here are two sources:[2] and [3].
Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 18:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • acharts is not considered reliable. Have you searched all available sources, even print publications?
No, but I'm pretty sure that no national newspapers publish the Canadian Hot 100 or the records. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 18:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dabomb87 (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose it will do, although I really wish there were more reliable sources available. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General
  • Ref #1 is dead.
Lead
  • 'Canada's airplay chart compiled with information collected from monitoring more than 100 stations that represent rock, country, adult contemporary and contemporary hit radio genres.' -- Add is before 'compiled'
  • 'The online version of the chart features the Canadian flag next to tracks that qualify as Canadian content.' -- I don't see particularly why this is notable, especially in the prose of the article.
  • It is because this article is related to Canadian content. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'In 2007, eight singles have topped the Canadian Hot 100.' -- Remove the 'have'
  • 'Timbaland's "Apologize" featuring OneRepublic was the longest-running chart-topping single of 2007; it was the number-one single for the last nine weeks of 2007, and the first four weeks in 2008.' -- Comma before and after 'featuring OneRepublic'
  • 'the last two of these were non-consecutive. ' --> the latter two..
  • 'Britney Spears' "Gimme More" went from 25th to 1st place on the Canadian Hot 100, the largest jump to top the chart in 2007.' -- Britney Spears' "Gimme More" went from 25th to first place, the largest jump on the chart in 2007.
  • I think Dabomb87 once told me that it should be 25th to 1st, or twenty-fifth to first. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Rihanna, Fergie (with the Black Eyed Peas), and Britney Spears have had multiple number-one singles on the Canadian Hot 100.' -- Why not just used Spears' last name instead of her full name?
Also, welcome back Truco! I'm betting that everyone involved in FLC all do miss your reviews VERY much! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I appreciate the welcome back!!! I've missed being here, I'll try my best to help out with my spare time.--Truco 19:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • What makes acharts.us reliable?--Truco 04:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yay, we can use it on this chart!, unless you still think it's unreliable. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 21:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't jump for joy just yet. They haven't given us any reason why we should regard them as reliable (no corporate backing, no method of fact-checking, etc.). I would recommend asking Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) about it—she's the WP:FAC source guru. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Asked her. I knew that you were going to say that! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 22:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just thinking that of course the site wants us to accept them as reliable sources. That makes them look better.—Chris! ct 00:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What did Ealdgyth say about it?--Truco 18:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, I will support once that issue is resolved.--Truco 20:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh...Ealdgyth is currently not replying to my message, Probably because she's busy with other more important stuff. Since I don't know that much fact-checkers like Dabomb87 and Truco, I'm hoping one of you guys ask one of them for me. It will obviously be appreciated. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nudged. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here is her reply. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Laugh out loud, I suggested that you guys should have AGFed the ref, and she supported me! So do any of you still think the ref is not reliable, and their facts are false? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 01:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let it go this time, in addition it looks like those other refs that are used in FLCs.
  • Weak Support -- The sourcing issue still puzzles me, but other than that, the list meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 02:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crzycheetah
  • Comment Oppose "Kanye West's "Stronger" stayed in the number-one spot for 3 consecutive weeks"? The table does not show that.--Crzycheetah 03:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
laugh out loud. Thank you. Done. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 04:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The achart reference(citation #5) doesn't say that Spears or Rihanna had multiple number-one singles.
      • It is referenced by the general reference, as the general reference gives you all the charts since the formation. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 04:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • If this imaginary "general reference" gives us this info, then you need to remove that acharts citation because it gives nothing related to that sentence.--Crzycheetah 04:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The achart reference(citation #4) doesn't say that One Republic's single is longest-running chart-topping single.
      • Removed reference to remove confusion. Cited by the general reference also. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 04:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The " Britney Spears' "Gimme More" went from 25th to 1st place on the Canadian Hot 100, the largest jump to top the chart in 2007." sentence needs a reference.
      • Just like the first comment, it is referenced by the general reference, as they give you all the charts for 2007. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 04:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Crzycheetah 04:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

        • Where is the general reference? I can't find it.--Crzycheetah 04:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • It is the last reference on the second paragraph. Do you want me to move that to the references section? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 05:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Are you talking about this link? If so, I don't see info on "Gimme More" anywhere on that website; let alone the statement that it was the largest jump to top the chart.--Crzycheetah 05:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • It references because the site has all the charts since the formation of the list. Do you want me to list all 29 charts? I don't think so. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 06:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(←)In other words, you want readers to do their own research every time they want to verify the info on this page? I just want a sentence in some reliable article that can assure me that the info on this page is correct.--Crzycheetah 05:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I'm sure it is those sentences are practically impossible to find exactly on one site. As long as you know its right, it's all good, right? -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 06:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's the problem; I rely on your research right now because I am too lazy to go through all those 29 pages and see whether that statement is correct or not. A regular reader won't be able to verify that info, so I strongly suggest removing those statements.--Crzycheetah 06:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Uhh...you actually telling me to remove all of the second paragraph, as all of those need to be sourced by multiple charts on acharts. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am talking about the 3 sentences I mentioned above.Either find some references or remove them.--Crzycheetah 07:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted only two of them since I think the one where "Apologize" is the longest-running chart topping single is pretty important information. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support This list could have been a great list if we had some more reliable references. Too bad there are so little info on this topic on the net.--Crzycheetah 22:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per above. I feel wary about letting a major sourcing issue by, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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