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The list was promoted by Juliancolton 04:35, 29 November 2009 [1].

List of Family Guy cast members edit

Nominator(s): Pedro J. the rookie 15:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because i think that it can be an FL. Pedro J. the rookie 15:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments, just real quick:

  • WP:AVOID using "However". If not, you shouldn't use it to start a sentence.
  • I don't think this list is complete. Mila Kunis was nominated for an award for her work in this show
  • Kunis was nominated for an Annie Award for her voice work on the episode "Barely Legal". Gage (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • done
  • And that's the only one I know of. Obviously the subject hasn't been researched well enough because the nominator himself admitted he did not know. I am very reticent to support something that may not be complete, but we can't be sure because nobody knows. Matthewedwards :  Chat  02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have looked for the info of thease artical and i think it is very much done.--Pedro J. the rookie 02:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • After reviewing the article, I added one more award to the section, and was not able to find any others to add to the list. It should be complete now. Gage (talk) 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does the grey boxes mean? It needs to comply with WP:COLOR, and at the moment I don't think it does.
  • done

Cheers, Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment

Resolved comments from Geraldk

Oppose - among other issues, the text needs a thorough copy-edit, this is just what I caught:

  • The lead says six main voice actors, the background says five.
  • The first mention of an actor in the background section shouldn't exclude their first name.

* "what kind of voice he was looking for the main characters" something's missing here...

  • "The voice was originally slower, when MacFarlane heard it, he replied..." grammar, split

into 2 sentences or fix the punctuation and transition

  • in this one i am confused can you tell me if it is fixed .--Pedro J. the rookie 01:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "played the voices of Meg Griffin" how do you play a voice?

* The sentence that starts "MacFarlane called her back after her audition..." needs a reqrite, too many 'and's

* "During the shows first four seasons, he was credited as guest star; beginning with season five's "Prick Up Your Ears" he has been credited a main cast member" missing apostrophe, missing 'a', missing 'as'

* Many if not all of the links going to sections of 'List of Family Guy cast members' don't seem to work. Some, like Jesus and God, point to sections that don't exist there.

  • Many of the other wikilinks need to be disambiguated, as they now seem to redirect to the 'List of Family Guy cast members'.
  • done
  • You can drop the 'she has' and 'he has' parts of the notes under recurring guest voices
  • The tables are utterly unreferenced. There need to either be inline cites or a general reference in the reference section that sources the information in the tables.
  • not all the tablets need to be refrenced, but i will work on that
Geraldk (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Has Geraldk been asked to revisit? (I myself will try to review the article, but I don't know if I will get the time to) Dabomb87 (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • no he left his comments and did not comment again.--Pedro J. the rookie 23:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, can you ask him to check back here again? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've been monitoring the nomination, but it's unclear based on Pedro's response if he has attempted to address all of the comments. Have you done so, Pedro? Geraldk (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • i have atempted to and i will soon finish all your concerns, is that alright?, can you tell me if any of your request where completed when Scrapler copyedited the artical..--Pedro J. the rookie 00:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • The copy-edit has helped significantly, but my concerns still stand, especially concerns about referencing and linking problems. Additionally, I think there's much more that could be said in the lead about these actors. Geraldk (talk) 01:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Most of your concerns or done one am am confused and did not understa very well, and the other one is needed of some work but almost done.--Pedro J. the rookie 01:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

done i put refrences on most of the cast exept the normal which has already refrenced.--Pedro J. the rookie 03:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the copy-edit has vastly improved the article, and will withdraw my opposition on that basis. However, I don't feel it is yet as strong as it could be, so I won't support listing. Largely, this is because the lead is still fairly weak in prose and content and consists of little more than a list of names. Geraldk (talk) 13:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

will be working on that.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that better.--Pedro J. the rookie 21:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • some do not have there space in the list in a feuture i am planning to work on that list but i am a rookie at some articals nstill, those that awnser it?.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • They all have at least a blurb in the list of characters. For example, the Pewterschmidts aren't linked at all, but have a whole sub-section (as Lois' family). I think they can all be linked, and should be. Geraldk (talk) 00:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - After a thorough copyedit by User:Scapler, article seems to meet the FL criteria. Gage (talk) 00:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • I'll support, but for the long-term benefit of the list, it would probably be good to fill out the character list so every character has an entry, and may be linked to. Geraldk (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll put it in the todo list and on the WP:FG things you can do, thanks for the review.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • A few sourcing issues:
      • Several unsourced statements in the "Casting changes" section. For example: "It is mentioned in the DVD commentary track that Alazraqui was reluctant to leave the Family Guy series", which commentary?
      • done--Pedro J. the rookie 18:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The citations seem to be rather random. In some cases they are after the actor, in others after the characters ir statements. Other rows do not have any citations.
    • In the row for Butch Hartman, why not give a few examples of characters he has voiced. Also, I'm assuming the first word in "Started in many episodes as various characters" is a typo.
    • "Regular Cast": "Family Guy has five main cast members, most of whom play several roles on the show." That is a little confusing, because six people are listed below. Why not change it to "At any point in its history, Family Guy has had five main cast members ... "
    • What is with the italicized names in the tables?
      • Those are names that do not have links in the character list(it is quite a mess), discused with previous editor.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why not change the first section to "current cast", and remove everything about Lacey Chabert to the casting changes section?
    • Also, perhaps the voice credits for the main cast should be listed to regular characters, and exclude one-timers and impressions.
        • can you be a bit spesific, and there are no onetimers in the list made sure of that.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • What about Mickey McFinnigan or OBrian? It might also be best to exclude characters from other sources (ie. the Kool Aid Man) or impressions (ie. Dick Cheney) and keep it to Family Guy characters.
          • Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • In "Casting changes", if Norm MacDonald voiced Death in one episode, wouldn't that make him a guest star rather than a cast member?
      • no he was going to continue but could not the one who plays death now is a recurring cast member.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • In "Recurring cast", isn't it confusing to mention names in prose that are in other sections.
      • Can you explain?.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • In that section, people like Lori Alan are mentioned in the prose, but not in the table. At first, I was confused as to why they were not mentioned, then I saw they were in the next section. It might be best to only mention people in their relevant section.
        • Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If memory serves (and I might be completely wrong), but doesn't Family Guy not make any distinction between regular and guest cast in the credits? If so, how did you decide who goes where.
      • I did that in the way that the recurring is the one who apperes but not so offten, the guest is the one who apperes many times but in diffrent episodes of seasons, did you you understand or iam i confusing you?.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, it makes sense. Perhaps you should add a note in the article?
        • Done note in posicion.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the list needs a much better definition of what qualifies someone as a "recurring guest star". For example, Drew Barrymore guest starred in a number of episodes but is not listed.
    • In "recurring voices", a lot of notes could use copyediting, ie. "Guest starred in some episodes from 2001 to 2008" seems rather (for lack of a better term) lazy. Also in that section, some notes have periods while others do not.
  • It's a pretty good start, but I think the list still has a ways to go. -- Scorpion0422 02:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and looks like you do now a bit FG.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I did like the show until the post-cancellation seasons started, now I could care less about it. I still catch the occasional new episode. -- Scorpion0422 23:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Flash
  • Comments: As requested...
    • Isn't Quagmire usually called just that? Not Glenn like is stated in the first caption?
    • You don't need an apostrophe before "At" - I also do not believe the stint is needed at all. Suggest removal.
    • "MacFarlane draws inspiration for the voice of Peter from a security guard he overheard talking while attending the Rhode Island School of Design.[3]" -> "MacFarlane drew inspirations[...]"
    • Done.--Pedro J. the rookie 23:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Stewie's voice is based on the voice of English actor Rex Harrison,[4]" -> "Stewie's voice was based[...]"
    • What makes http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/rurouni_kenshin/family_guy_seth_macfarlane_interview.aspx reliable?
    • Removed--Pedro J. the rookie 23:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "She had not met MacFarlane or seen any artwork and said it was "really sight unseen".[9]" -> What, or who's, artwork is this sentence referring to?
    • "Mila Kunis has provided the voices of Meg Griffin.[7]" -> don't you mean just "voice" ?
    • Why are things like Kool-Aid Man, Jesus, and Ashley italicized throughout the table?
    • Please replace http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005109/awards with the official Annie Award website
    • Added--Pedro J. the rookie 23:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Flash {talk} 22:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No prob - some other comments, though:
    • What's with ref 18 and 19? What's "Callaghan" and "Disc 4" mean?
    • Done--Pedro J. the rookie 00:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • You've misunderstood. I didn't mean remove theme, I meant to better clarify what the refs actually are. The Flash {talk} 00:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • NO i checked them did not help the artical at all.--Pedro J. the rookie 00:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Flash {talk} 00:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: My issues have been taken care of and I believe this passes FL criteria. The Flash {talk} 01:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - some basic issues I'm afraid....
  • Caption in lead image is an incomplete sentence so needs no full stop.
  • "numerous regular cast and recurring guest stars" followed in the next sentence by "numerous guest and additional cast voices" makes for repetitive reading.
  • Use "cast" nine times in nine consecutive sentences. Okay, it's about the cast, but this is a bit too much for me.
  • "award for there work on the series." - their work.
  • "'At any point in its history, ..." - odd phrase, odd apostrophe. Maybe, "Throughout the series, ..."?
  • Kunis' caption needs a full stop.
  • So does Warburton's.
  • "MacFarlane choose to voice " - chose.
  • "Griffin's neighbor" - should that be "Griffins' neighbor"?
  • "for the pilot while " link what type of pilot you mean (i.e. aviator or first ever show).
  • Check out how to space your ellipses, per the WP:MOS.
  • McDonalds should be McDonald's.
  • Refs need work, all dates should be consistently formatted, all web references need "accessdate" etc.
  • Ref column in tables don't need to be sortable.
  • Keep tables left or centrally aligned, not a mix.
    • Going to have to disagree it looks fine like that, and there is no rule for that.--Pedro J. the rookie 20:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, no rules, but it looks really poor to have tables mixed up that way. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well but if we did that it would look blah, it looks better, i say.--Pedro J. the rookie 22:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several characters, actors not referenced at all.
    • you mean the main cast, did not find the need to refrence them.--Pedro J. the rookie 19:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Are you kidding? This is a list of cast members and you "did not feel the need to refrence (sic) them"? I think you'll need to work more on the referencing before I can go anywhere close to supporting this list. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

  • Just randomly checked one of your sources, e.g. Phyllis Diller's credits. Apparently she was not Thelma in Holy Crap, but she was Thelma in Padre de Familia.
  • Check no spaces between references and text/punctuation.
  • "who did voice work " clumsy prose.
  • "Lacey Chabert/ Mila Kunis" remove space.
  • "Green admittedly did an impression " why "admittedly"?
  • Buffalo Bill or "Buffalo Bill"?
  • Where is Brennan as Mort referenced?
  • Greased up in the reference is Greased-Up. Your article is internally inconsistent.
  • And performance artist is Performance Artist. Your article is internally inconsistent.
  • ""Griffins neighbor Glenn Quagmire, ..." suddenly italicised...
  • " PA system " "public address system".

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will adressed them when i come back this weekend, beach time:) thanks for the review ram(do you mind if i call you that?)--Pedro J. the rookie 17:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I won't oppose, the work done has been excellent so far, but I'm finding it difficult to agree this is our "finest work". Good luck. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • TRM makeing the artical better is the important thing, hit me with some improveing comments.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


–Juliancolton | Talk 04:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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