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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:40, 1 July 2008 [1].

List of Crimean War Victoria Cross recipients edit

Hello, another Victoria Cross recipients list. This is similar to the featured lists List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Royal Navy and List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Indian Army. It is comprehensive, it works (sorting all sorted), it is referenced and it as pictures. As such, I feel it meets all the criteria, I hope you agree. Thanks. Woody (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 23:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More comments:

  • Force a TOC please, so people don't have to scroll down to get to the References. Help:TOC will help you with that.
  • "1857-02-24." – I assume this is the publication date in the references. If so, wiklink it, otherwise, some people might not recognize that this is a date.
  • "Chapter 8 pp.68–90" – use a semicolon as a separator before the page, especially if you are going to do that with the previous reference

Gary King (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the refs, though I haven't added the __FORCETOC__ as frankly, to me, it looks stupid. There are only two sections to this; Recipients and References and the TOC becomes slipped in between the Lead and the ==Recipients== Do you feel this is absolutely neccessary? Woody (talk) 21:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes; its usefulness outweighs its aesthetic effect. I usually strongly recommend adding it if the article is long enough to require that I scroll; it provides a quick glimpse as to what the article contains. For instance, if I visit this list, and am curious to know if there is a See Also section because I'd like to see similar topics, how would I know – without scrolling to the bottom? The TOC will tell me. Gary King (talk) 22:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You think people find it hard to scroll to the bottom? See also sections aren't a prerequisite for FA, indeed, they are seen as topics that should be expanded upon in the text. If you want similar topics, go to the navbox which isn't in the TOC. In fact, the recipients heading isn't actually neccessary so all it would be is a hyperlink to the references section. As far as I am aware, it is limited to three sub-headings for a reason. This isn't an article, it starts off with list of... so to the perceptive reader, they can get a quick glimpse of what it contains. It is personal preference as far as I am concerned. Perhaps a note on WT:FLC to gauge opinion? Woody (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • WP:MOS#Images recommends lead images be no smaller than 300px so feel free to force the Sevastopol picture up a bit.
  • The Crimea War page says it started in October 1853 (or am I missing something?)
  • "large scale" should probably be "large-scale".
  • "sale of commissions" forgive my utter ignorance but I don't know what this means at all. Can you expand on it a touch for non-experts?
  • Anything special about recipients who had multiple dates of action?
  • I probably said it before and you doubtless gave me a good answer but you could include a few portraits of the recipients down the right hand side of the table, just to make it aesthetically more pleasing.
  • Sebastopol links to a disambiguation page.
  • Balaclava links to the ski-mask.
  • For George Strong, why is individual year linked?

That's it from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the image, fixed large-scale, Sebastapol, Balaclava and Strong link. Does the addition of the wikilinked Sale of commissions assuage your concerns?
In terms of the start date of the Crimean War, Britain and France declared war on Russia on 28 March 1854. As with any conflict the preceding events and skirmishes are seen by some as part of the War, not by others. On the British side, 1854 is seen as the start date. See Talk:World War II for a lengthy argument on the start dates of wars.
In terms of multiple dates, special in that they were recognised for multiple acts of bravery, not that uncommon in the early (first 40 years) of the VC. I have added links to their gazette entries.
Images: We have been through this before ;) If images were placed on some of the more cramped VC articles, then they would get very cramped at lower resolutions. When I go down in resolution, there is simply no room to put them in other articles. With this article, I don't get that problem, but, there is a shortage of pictures for Crimean War recipients. Woody (talk) 21:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments left on talkpage
  • Support Good work as normal, and the previosu queries seem to have been addressed. David Underdown (talk) 11:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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