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List of Category 2 Pacific hurricanes

Featured list candidates/List of Category 2 Pacific hurricanes/archive1

Nominator(s): Noah^Talk 02:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC), Cooper 02:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC) [reply]

All Category 2 storms on record have been recorded on the list. I have decided to bring this list here in hopes of eventually getting Pacific hurricane to featured topic. Noah^Talk 02:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, all landfalling Category 2 systems have been recorded. I'd also like this to join the other East Pacific lists as a featured list. Cooper 02:52, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm derp (hi how r ya), and I would like to review this article for FL criteria and practice for English grades. DerpieDerpie:D 01:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Object - Let's start by updating the 2018 to 2019 in the third sentence, and that hurricane season is over. Minor error
Has been changed to 2019. The article discusses when hurricane season begins and ends in the climatology section, so I don't feel that the second part of the objection would be a necessary addition. Noah^Talk 01:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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* Comment - Very nice typing by you and cooper, I am bad. Efficient information and sources. Comment I feel that the numbers in the paragraphs should be in word-form, not, well, number form (except pressure, winds, and categories). Isn't necessary per WP:MOS as numbers over nine may be written numerically or in words. Noah^Talk 01:54, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Since all problems/typos have been fixed or updated, that the article provides sufficient information and sources, and all lists have enough information, dates, pressure, and wind speed, I hereby support this offer to transform this article into an FA. DerpieDerpie:D 01:34, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - List article is nearly the same quality as the List of Category 3 Pacific hurricanes. Could stand to have a plot of cumulative hurricane tracks like the category 3 article, but that could be made easily. Supportstorm (talk) 03:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Some comments before I can support.~~ Support, thanks for putting the work into this article (and others). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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*Watch out for the redundant links; there are a lot of them.

I removed ones that I saw, but I did not see a lot of them. As far as I could tell, each section only had 1 link per item. Noah^Talk 23:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For the opening image of Calvin, I question whether "one of the most impactful Category 2 Pacific hurricanes, at peak intensity on July 6" is a good description. Surely Paul in 1982 was more impactful (even if it was a TD). Find a better way of wording it, or perhaps just have a satellite image of the most recent C2 storm (Miriam 18).
I changed it to Paul and adjusted the wording a bit. Noah^Talk 20:35, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fix link to landfall (meteorology)
Fixed Noah^Talk 20:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps link to Pacific hurricane instead of Tropical cyclone basins#Eastern Pacific?
I kept the link for the basin and added a link for Pacific hurricane to "hurricane". Noah^Talk 20:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like some sort of summary of the storms in the lead, such as "Category 2 hurricanes collectively caused X damage and Y deaths".
I have added in death statistics, but damage would simply be inaccurate and confusing due to inflation
"A Category 2 hurricane is defined as having winds at least 83 knots (96 mph; 154 km/h; 43 m/s), but not greater than 95 knots (109 mph; 176 km/h; 49 m/s) on the Saffir-Simpson Scale." - defined by whom? This might be a good place to mention when the SSHS was developed
Changed to include Cat 2 is defined by the NHC. Also added ", which was developed in 1971" after the mention of the SSHWS. Noah^Talk 21:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Tropical cyclones occur much more infrequently in the central Pacific than in the east Pacific, with only four to five systems forming or crossing into the central Pacific compared to about 15 for the east Pacific." - this wording is a bit bloated. Could you simplify it?
"Tropical cyclones occur less frequently in the central Pacific than in the east Pacific, with some years featuring no systems forming or crossing into the basin." How does this sound? Cooper 21:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Add a citation to the end of the first paragraph in "Climatology" (HURDAT will do fine)
Done Noah^Talk 20:53, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article is a little heavy on the climatology side. I'm not complaining or saying it's a huge issue, just something I noticed.
Acknowledged, but I think it will be okay as is. It may be a bit much, but it doesn't seem to dominate the article. Noah^Talk 23:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fix the sorting for the damage.
Sorting has been fixed. Noah^Talk 21:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure Paul 82's damage total is correct?
Appears the damages from Nicaragua were not from the storm. Since YE has fixed the article, the total here has been adjusted to reflect that. Noah^Talk 20:08, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Where in the source for Vance 90 does it say it caused $10 million in damage?
Removed the damages Noah^Talk 21:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise for Ignacio 03, where in the source does it say $21 million in damage?
Grabbed the wrong source for that one. I fixed it. Noah^Talk 21:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: As far as I can tell, all the issues you presented have been addressed. For the links thing, I didn't see a lot of redundant linkage. Let me know on that. Noah^Talk 23:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Waiting until some issues are fixed~~- Most of the article, in my opinion, is good; the prose is proper, the lead has a fairly good summary, maybe except for damage totals as Hurricanehink said, the length is good, many visual aids are used, and images are used as well. It is also stable. However, there are some things that could use fixing, many of which are covered above. Vance's Tropical Cyclone Report (1990 Vance), which was used as a damage source, listed no damage or casualties which conflicts with the $10 million already listed. Ignacio 2003's is pretty vague when it comes to damage totals. You could use Paul 1982 instead of Calvin 1993 for the image but I'm personally fine with it being Calvin because most of Paul's destruction occurred as a tropical depression (article lists C America damage in the hundreds of millions with relatively smaller amounts in NW Mexico, where it made landfall as a Category 2 hurricane) (EDIT: it was changed to Paul 1982). Some of the links are slightly more complicated than they might need to be but for example, the landfall link seems okay because it doesn't link to a disambiguation, just the TC landfall article; I doubt people will not know that it is the meteorological sense of landfall. The TC basin link could be changed but it is also a good representation of the linked text. I have already discussed this with Hurricane Noah but Connie 1966, which is officially listed as a Category 2 in the HURDAT database, is not listed on the article. There is an argument for not including it, though; CPHC has it as a 75 kt C1 on their table, but at the same time, they have 86 kt C2 listed in the text itself. So, just asking, is there any guidance on what to do in this situation? I'm not very sure on what the proper procedure is for this type of issue. Other than that, the number of Category 2 hurricanes itself seems fine. However, this sentence, " Only one has occurred in the off-season: Hurricane Pali of 2016, which developed on January 7, and marks the earliest formation of a tropical cyclone in the Northeastern Pacific basin on record. A total of three Category 2 hurricanes have occurred in May, a total of eight have done so in June, 19 in July, 24 in August, 18 in September, 12 in October, and four in November" seems odd to me. Adding these numbers up gives me a number higher than the previously stated 83, so this is either an error or possibly has different criteria for being added than the 83 C2s number listed before. I'll wait for some of these issues to be fixed (I'm aware they are actively being fixed) before I'll give my support. -Oof-off (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The issue you presented in the climatology section has been fixed. Noah^Talk 22:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - changing to support - Thank you. It seems pretty good as of now, the large mistakes have been rectified. I left the Connie section as is because it would be interesting to see what the consensus will be for it. Now, I support this article being on the featured list -Oof-off (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 20:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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