- Lead
- Change image text from "Perro Aguayo, Jr., part of the 17th CMLL World Trios Champions along with Héctor Garza and Mr. Águila" to "Perro Aguayo, Jr., along with Héctor Garza and Mr. Águila, were the 17th CMLL World Trios Champions.
- "The CMLL World Trios Championship (Campeonato Mundial Trios de CMLL in Spanish) is the primary professional wrestling three-man tag team championship promoted by the Mexican Lucha Libre wrestling-based promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) in Mexico since 1993." Add the translation of CMLL in here. Maybe change the sentence to "The CMLL World Trios Championship (Campeonato Mundial Trios de CMLL in Spanish) is the primary professional wrestling three-man tag team championship contested for by the Mexican Lucha Libre promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL; Spanish for "World Wrestling Council") since 1993."
- Title history
- "Table last updated July 24, 2009" Is this really needed?
- It tells the readers that if there has been any title changes since July 24, 2009 is not in the list yet, since it's an active title and all. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I can understand the reason, but what is the point actually? Why leave a note telling readers that editors have not updated this page. Would that appear in a written encyclopedia? No, so why should in appear in an online one? I believe readers could probably understand to not trust everything on here.
- Well encylopedias are generally printed, so they have a "last updated" date on everything. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Make sure all of the wrestlers are listed alphabetically in each reign section, if you understand what I mean.
- No I don't understand I'm afraid. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Names should be "A, B, and C" not "C, B, and A". Get it now?
- The notes should complete sentences. "Defeated Los Brazos in the finals of a 16-team tournament" is not a complete sentence.
- To make it complete I'd just mention the name of the team, but that's generally not how the notes are worded. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Recently that is how most of the notes are done.--WillC 01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Point to an example please. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The most recent wrestling FLs. All mine have been that way and it usually makes more sense and is more helpful.--WillC 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Team reigns by combined length
- Why don't you just do this section and the one below like other FLs like here?
- It's done like this to be consistent with all other CMLL & Mexican National Championship FLs that have already passed, if they're going to be a Feature Topic one day they need to all be internally consistent. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well those list can be changed as well. The first lists I did, had a different format than the ones I've done recently. I've had to go back and update them.--WillC 01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If they are changed you cannot jump directly to "individual reigns" you'd have to go to "combined reigns", then scroll down - this format is more user friendly. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is why you use level three headers.--WillC 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Then frankly it's virtually the same, an editors preference like centering all text or not. I prefer to keep it this way. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Table last updated July 24, 2009" same question as above.
- All tables are quick references so everything that should be linked needs to be linked.
- It's done like this to be consistent with all other CMLL & Mexican National Championship FLs that have already passed, if they're going to be a Feature Topic one day they need to all be internally consistent. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The others ones can always be updated.--WillC 01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes they can, if it's a general rule that "quick reference" lists have links, I have not see this anywhere. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It is supposed to be in the wikipedia MoS. I forget the link, sorry.--WillC 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hasn't been brought up in 6 FLs and the other FLC I got right now, can't have been very clearly marked. Lemme just say that I don't mind doing it, it's not like it's hard, I just want to be sure it's actually required before I edit all the lists for consistency. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Why don't you just use the age in days template to update the days automatically?
- Where? in the combined reigns? Because none of them are in the first reign, to my knowledge there isn't a "age in days + a bit" template. And WP:PW got all pissy about it being OR when someone put a calculated start date to make it could "current reign + previous reign". MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It was agreed it wasn't OR, and since then all the list articles have gone by that format. It just takes the editor counting back to which day it would add up to be correct with the statistics.--WillC 01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You're saying WP:PW actually got consensus on something? I'm tempted to ask for proof of this statement ;) I'll see what I can do. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, shocking I know. Just look up the discussion you were referring to. It was pretty much unanimous that it was not OR.--WillC 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And fixed. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 02:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Individual reigns by combined length
- Footnotes
- References
- Taking all Spanish ones in good faith. Fine.
- External links
- Remove Cagematch.net, it is not reliable.--WillC 00:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which is why it's under External Links, not an actual source. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it is still unreliable so why link to a site that is unreliable when we are supposed to be trustworthy. Information on that site could be potentially false and some editors could think of adding it to this one as such.--WillC 01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Show me where it has been proven as unreliable? As far as I know it's never been proven "Reliable" which is not the same, it's as reliable as Solie.org sources not taken from the "Wrestling Title History", except it's not used as an actual source. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There have been a few FLs fail due to the questionable reliability of it. One example was the CZW World Heavyweight Championship.--WillC 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which is why I'm not using it as a source. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I don't think it should be in the article at all if it is not reliable. It is like the New York Times having and article about ants but says for more information to contact Jim Bob down the road.--WillC 07:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I found a different reason from WP:External links under the "what not to use" it states "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article. " which the external links all fall under. I'll remove them all. MPJ-DK (No Drama) Talk 10:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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