Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Boston Red Sox first-round draft picks/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 00:21, 7 February 2010 [1].

List of Boston Red Sox first-round draft picks

Nominator(s): Staxringold _talk^contribs 22:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of Boston Red Sox first-round draft picks/archive1

Built in the style of List of Philadelphia Phillies first-round draft picks (a FL) and List of New York Mets first-round draft picks (a soon-to-be FL), I think this big sucker is ready (that was a LOT of compensation/supplementary pick notes). Staxringold _talk^contribs 22:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Good enough to break my boycott of this process. Durova³⁹¹ 02:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Fuentes is unlinked in the lead but red-linked in the table. Any reason why?

Nope, linked.

Outfielder is overlinked in the lead.

Fixed.

"Red Sox" is repeated quite a few times - nine times in eleven sentences - makes the prose a little samey...

Removed some.

Shouldn't second fastest be hyphenated?

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 17:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"a particularly valuable " how is this assessed?

That really belongs at the general draft article, where it is dealt with. But the long and the short of it is players are evaluated by the Elias Sports Bureau and, based on past performance, can be rated as either a "Type A" or "Type B" free agent (or not rated at all). If you lose a Type B free agent you get a supplementary pick, if you lose a Type A free agent you get a supplementary pick and a compensatory pick from the team that signs them.

Okay. My real concern is that "particularly valuable" can be construed as POV. Could you add a note to that phrase which is pretty much what you said above? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Staxringold _talk^contribs 21:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, just a last moment, could you replace "old team" with "previous team"? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All done! Staxringold _talk^contribs 01:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"first round picks " vs " first-round pick " be consistent with the hyphenation here.

Fixed in a couple places, but shouldn't it be "first round" when describing the round itself but "first-round" when it's referring to the picks (like a "first-round pick" versus "Of the 60 players taken in the first round"?).

Yes, I didn't want you to change that... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure all the unlinked players fail to meet WP:ATHLETE? I only ask as a similar discussion is being held at this current FLC. I guess you're using baseball-reference.com to make that decision for you?

If the player has never appeared in the Majors and is far enough gone that they won't, I've left them blacklinked. I suppose I could redlink a few more recent years (like 1999's Brad Baker, he's still in his 20s). Basically I've just left the very recent picks redlinked because there's still a big shot at them making the Majors and thus an article.

Okay. That's not how we do it at WP:FOOTBALL (but that doesn't make it wrong)... We just blacklink people who currently fail WP:ATHLETE, and link all the others. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My purpose in doing this is just to keep the least quickly up-to-date if those guys become notable. Staxringold _talk^contribs 21:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Staxringold _talk^contribs 22:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"They have also drafted two players from outside the United States". Nothing is wrong if you only look at this sentence, but the last mention of the team name is singular ("The team"), so the tenses are off. Perhaps starting it with "The Red Sox" would be preferable?

Fixed. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comma after "in his second major league start". By the way, was Buchholz on the postseason roster in 2007? If so, that's three draft picks who won the World Series with the Sox.~~

I checked and checked. He definitely didn't appear (as shown in the B-Ref page) and I've found nothing saying he was on the roster. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Remove comma after Jimmy Hack (1970).~~ Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Can't believe it, but it finally happened: I'm supporting a Red Sox-related article. (Insert confused face here :-) Meets all the standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from KV5

~~What's JC? I know; will others?~~

And that's really it. Great job! KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks! Staxringold _talk^contribs 01:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heartily support this list for promotion. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two things I saw: I've added accents for one player, and, as asked in the edit summary, please check for this throughout (I did it in the LAD list). Also, states are linked at random points in the table: I saw 1969, 1977, and 2007. Mm40 (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delinked states (whoever fixed the city-state templates that didn't work linked the states) but I left Alberta and Puerto Rico linked. No more accents I see. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General

Dab links, external links, contributors, and alt text all check out fine.

Lead

There is an inconsistency with the spelling of Major League Baseball and the acronym MLB, per WP:ACRONYM, there needs to be consistency (use MLB or spell it out throughout the lead).

How does this usage pattern violate this? Trying to make it flow nicely, though I'll replace and uniformly use MLB. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP ACRONYM: If used, acronyms should be used consistently throughout the article. (It probably would have been easier for you to just spell out the one use of MLB you had).--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, it's consistent now. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nine of the players came from high schools or universities in the state of California, while Texas and South Carolina follow, with six and five players, respectively. -- remove the comma after follow, makes the sentence flow better

Fixed. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:OVERLINK, no need to link common geographic locations : The Red Sox have also drafted two players from outside the United States: Chris Reitsma (1996) from Canada and Reymond Fuentes (2009) from Puerto Rico

Fixed. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can combine these two sentences: Two of their first-round picks have won championships with the franchise. Outfielder Trot Nixon (1993) was on the 2004 championship team[4] and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury (2005) played with the 2007 championship team. into Two of their first-round picks have won championships with the franchise: outfielder Trot Nixon (1993) was on the 2004 championship team[4] and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury (2005) played with the 2007 championship team. (if you prefer)

I'm a fan of the current style as it keeps it constant for teams with more championships or players to detail. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clay Buchholz (2005) threw a no-hitter, the seventeenth in Red Sox franchise history, in his second major league start, tying him with Wilson Alvarez for the second-fastest no-hitter by a MLB pitcher. -- this is a issue throughout the lead, the positions of each person should be spelled out when referring to them in situations, like this should say Pitcher Clay Bucholz threw a no-hitter.

Why? And do I really need to note that it was a pitcher throwing a no-hitter and not say... A third baseman (who definitionally cannot throw one)? Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I was reading into it too much. Sorry.--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These additional picks are provided when a team loses a particularly valuable free agent in the prior off-season, -- this sounds repetitive since you noted this in the last sentence of the first paragraph

What about this?--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's repetitive. The simple version was needed in the first paragraph (though I guess this mention could be removed) to fully explain the basics of the draft, then in the last paragraph to lead into all the compensatory/supplementary picks. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List

Why are some red links and others aren't linked at all?

Recently drafted players who are currently minor leaguers but could make the majors (and thus be notable and get articles) are redlinked. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay, a note would probably help that out but we'll see what other reviewers say.--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That means leaving this sucker open for even longer, and that's just depressing. I can delink if you want, but it doesn't disrupt the article (and makes things far easier for when those articles get made). Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There was no possibility of making any rows sortable?--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All the no-pick years would make it very, very confusing. Plus the school sorting would be very tough. By city? By state? By name? Which part of the name? Etc, etc. Staxringold _talk^contribs 00:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay.--Truco ₅₀₃ 00:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved; meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 23:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~ Mm40 (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~I count seven players from Texas and five from SC~~

Right you are on the Texas count, corrected. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Upon the first year in parenthesis, you may want to put "drafted in" before the year, to clear up any confusion. At least when listing awards won, it may give the impression that, for instance, Rice won the MVP in 1971.

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Catchers definitely doesn't go where we want it to.~~

Heh, fixed. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~I count 15 supplemental picks~~

16, actually, but the lead was still wrong. Fixed.

~~John Glenn High School (Norwalk), T. L. Hanna High School, Bakersfield College~~

Added. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Bryan Price isn't the right Bryan Price (2008)~~

Don't know what to do here, since even Bryan Pryce (baseball) goes there. I'll delink it for now. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Accent for Manati (2009 pick location)~~

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Link "Rookie of the Year Award" in Garciaparra's caption (CY Young is linked in Clemens')~~

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~I guess Fossum and Murphy are really boring, huh (captions)?~~

Yeah. I tried to liven up captions where possible, but sometimes there's not much to say. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~The titles of Refs 3 and 12 don't match the title of the link~~

Fixed, dunno what happened there. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~You can differentiate the titles of references 15 and 16 by adding ":Draft Report: 1970s" and ":Draft Report: 1980s" after the current titles. Mm40 (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)~~[reply]

Done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~You can put references 3 and 12 directly after the sentence they reference.~~

They already do. They cite the general statement, and then V goes into detail about what "particularly valuable" means. Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was talking about the first two sentences of the last paragraph. Mm40 (talk) 17:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those also cite that sentence though, showing they never made the first overall pick (listing both the Red Sox picks and first overall picks). Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Refs 4 and 5 should have ndashes~~

Did you do this? Mm40 (talk) 17:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, done. Staxringold _talk^contribs 18:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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