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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 19:20, 27 January 2009 [1].

List of 500cc/MotoGP Motorcycle World Champions

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I believe this list meets all the criteria, it is topic which is under-represented with quality lists and articles so hopefully this can be the first of may motorcycle racing featured lists. NapHit (talk) 20:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

  • Grand Prix motorcycle racing is the premier championship of motorcycle road racing, which has been divided into three classes since 1990; 125cc, 250cc and MotoGP. - the semicolon should just be a normal colon
  • The Grand Prix Road-Racing World Championship was established in 1949 by the sport's governing body the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM), and is the oldest motorsport World Championship in existence. - comma before "the"
  • The motorcycles used in MotoGP are purpose built for the sport, and are unavailable for purchase by the general public: they cannot be legally ridden on public roads. - this should be a semicolon versus a normal colon
  • MotoGP, the premier class of GP motorcycle racing, has changed dramatically in recent years. - "has changed dramatically" is WP:POV, the "dramatically" is throwing the sentence off into a POV, reword or remove that word.
  • From the mid-1970s until 2002 the top class of GP racing allowed 500cc with a maximum of four cylinders, regardless of whether the engine was a two-stroke or four-stroke. - 1)comm after 2002, and the dash should be an emdash (the short dash located in the toolbox)
No tsure if I should use a dash, as I thought it was not used on words, I've done it anyway see what others think. NapHit (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph should be merged with the first or third one, its too short to be by itself.
  • Giacomo Agostini has won the most titles, he won eight during his career, which included a record seven titles in a from 1966 to 1972. - I don't think "in a" is needed
  • The prose should be expanded a bit by summarizing the list a bit more, like stating who was the first winner and most recent winner
recent winner is in there and so is first winner now NapHit (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Poles" "Wins" "Fastest Laps" and "Points" system should be explained in the prose, for a better understanding of them in the tables.
  • I recommend renaming the "Notes" column to "Refs" since only References are in that column.
Notes is fine in my opinion, it doesn't mke much difference to be honest. NapHit (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the "Poles" column not sorting in order of numeral?--Truco 03:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've addressed all your comments. NapHit (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments
  • Some of my suggestions I think were misread..
  • The Grand Prix Road-Racing World Championship was established in 1949 by the sport's governing body the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM), and is, the oldest motorsport World Championship in existence. - the comma should go before the word "the" in the phrase "the Federation", and not after the word "is"
  • The motorcycles used in MotoGP are purpose built for the sport, and are unavailable for purchase by the general public; they cannot be legally ridden on public roads. - I would change the semicolon to ..because they cannont be...
  • I didn't mean add the emdashes to the words "four stroke", I meant it for the "mid-1970s"
  • Results in all Grands Prix count towards the championships, historically though only a certain number of results counted. - either a comma after "though" or a comma before and after "though"
  • I don't see the "poles" "fastest laps" explained in the prose, or am I misreading something?--Truco 22:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They can click on the link for those they don't need to be explained. NapHit (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can't just have WP:JARGON (jargon) in the list and expect the reader to know it, clicking the links should be unnecessary if it were explained in the lead, since the lead is suppose to summarize the list itself. Are the other comments resolved?--Truco 22:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's overkill if you explain it in the lead, the wikilinks are there for a reason fr the reader to cluck on the link and find out the info. They are not pertinent to the list, they are there to provide an overview of the champion's season that he had. I have addressed the other comments. NapHit (talk) 04:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Its not overkill, the poles link does little to help the reader understand what it means in the context of this list.--TRUCO 02:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support - some of my issues were fixed, but the WP:JARGON (Jargon) terms in the list make it hard for the reader to comprehend what they mean in the context of this list, the link does little to explain it better.--TRUCO 02:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Take a look at Wikipedia:Layout#Images.
    • In IE7, the images are in an empty space, in the Firefox 2 are over the table, and Firefox 3 the same as IE7. Cannibaloki 21:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what I can do to be honest, there is no way I can make the images smaller. NapHit (talk) 18:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "MotoGP, the premier class of GP motorcycle racing, has changed in recent years." Suggest deleting this sentence, doesn't really add anything.
  • "From the mid–1970s until 2002"-->From the mid-1970s to 2002
  • "Each season normally consists of 12 to 16 Grands Prix contested" Why only "normally"? Has there been an instance when this is not the case?
  • "top 15 riders that qualify"-->top 15 qualifying riders
  • "Results in all Grands Prix count towards the championships, historically, though only a certain number of results counted."-->. Results from all Grands Prix count towards the championships; historically, only a certain number of results counted.
  • "Giacomo Agostini has won the most titles, he won eight during his career, which included a record seven titles in succession from 1966 to 1972. "-->Giacomo Agostini has won the most titles; he won eight during his career, including a record seven titles in succession from 1966 to 1972.
  • "Freddie Spencer is the youngest champion," Comma should be a semicolon.
  • "Italian riders have won the most titles, with 19 titles between six drivers"-->Italian riders have won the most titles; six drivers have won a total of nineteen titles.
  • "Great Britain is second; six riders have won a total of 17 championships."-->Great Britain is second; six riders have won a total of seventeen championships.
  • "The United States is third with 15 titles won by seven drivers." "seven"-->7 or "15"-->fifteen.
  • Images need checking, ping User:Awadewit. For example, File:2005 0409 Valentino Rossi.jpg – How do we know that the site gave permission? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've addressed all your comments, cheers. NapHit (talk) 04:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

replaced dead link NapHit (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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