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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:45, 29 August 2011 [1].


List of 1956 Winter Olympics medal winners edit

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Nominator(s): Courcelles 22:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Cortina. Originally scheduled to host the cancelled 1944 games, eventually hosted the Olympics 12 years later. This list of medal winners is, I hope, a nice compliment to the main FA on these Games. Courcelles 22:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Ref 1 has a date format different from the others. Why do some medal columns have a ref while others don't? What ref covers all medal winners? PumpkinSky talk 23:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good catch on the date, fixed. Team events are cited by country, individual ones are cited by event (look under the event column). As to a ref to all the medal winners, there really isn't such a beast, unless you want to deal with a 700 page PDF (the third general ref). Courcelles 23:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have an issue with File:Stig Sollander, Tony Sailer and Chiharu Chick Igaya 1956.jpg being in the article, for reasons I raised at commons:File talk:Stig Sollander, Tony Sailer and Chiharu Chick Igaya 1956.jpg. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 03:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Darn, the uploader Commonsside did us no favours by merely liking to the image as a source, either. Yeah, that's going to be worth a DR over there at some point, unless there's proof forthcoming. Removed... and there is nothing to relpace it with. Cortina was a bad games for free photos, unfortunately. Courcelles 04:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The lead image of Sixten Jernberg was uploaded by the same user, and with a similar link as the source (i.e., direct to image). As 1964 was in Austria and not Sweden, it may be worth investigating that photo too. That said, it does give an author on that image, and the company/news organisation does appear to be Swedish. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 04:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bah. I have a feeling that per {{PD-Italy}}, we're arguing over semantics, and not over images that are actually under copyright. Nevertheless, there is an image on Commons of Jernberg that is unmistakably valid, if less dramatic, so changed. Courcelles 04:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Probably the first one (of the three of them) could be PD-Italy, I guess; the second one you removed wouldn't have been though as 1964 was in Austria. Anyway, I suppose it's better to err on the side of caution. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 04:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, the second one never would be PD-Italy, but I'm fairly sure the first one would have been, but without a real source, not much can be done, and no one really wants to re-argue PD-Italy Commonsside. I think we're squared away on the images now, even by a very conservative approach. Courcelles 04:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 19:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • "For the first time, the Olympic Oath was taken by a female athlete, Italian alpine skier Giuliana Minuzzo." – I fail to see the relevance of this sentence in the context of this page. I would remove it.
  • "Both medal totals were the most of any nation at the Games." – Replace nation by NOC.
    • Same thing, really, as there were no NOC's for non-countries in Cortina, but so be it. Courcelles 02:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • True, but at least NOC is always correct, whatever the Games. Parutakupiu (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would link in some way the sentences about Sixten Jernberg and Toni Sailer's medals.
  • You could move the image of Sixteen Jernberg to the "Multiple medalists" section, and put the one of Veikko Hakulinen (File:Veikko hakulinen.jpg) in the cross-country skiing medal section.
  • There are a couple of medalists with images that you can use freely:
    • Chiharu Igaya → File:Chiharu Igaya.jpg
      • What evidence is there this was published before 1956 was complete? The source makes no such claim. Courcelles 02:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • You're right, you better not use this one. Sorry, I usually fail to check on these license restriction details. Parutakupiu (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sverre Stenersen → File:Sverre Stenersen.jpg (at the 1956 Games!)
      • I was looking at the licensing of this image and I wondered if other images from the official report could be used for the same purpose? That would be very helpful for notable athletes for which we don't have freely usable photos, like Toni Sailer. I have doubts though, so one could put that question forward at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Parutakupiu (talk)
  • Ref 2: it is a book source that is used only once. I'd say you provide here the full source info that it is instead displayed in the single-item "References" section.
  • Ref. 37: this looks more like a footnote with a reference associated. I'd place this in a "Footnotes" section above the "Notes" section (which I'd rename to "References").
  • The alt text of the Sixteen Jernberg image could be improved. For instance, the image does not say the guy on the left is called Sixteen (typo here) and that the photo was took at a Swedish Championships...

— Parutakupiu (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Okay, everything has been handled. Courcelles 22:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • One more thing: is the TOC going to stay like that or are you going to format it according to the other lists in this series? Parutakupiu (talk) 23:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Like this. Hard coded TOC's are hard to use, take up extra bytes, and offer zero utility over the standard one. Courcelles 02:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • So you think all others should be changed back? Or just the ones that don't occupy a lot of vertical space? Parutakupiu (talk)
        • They should all be changed back, IMO, as the utility is non-existent. Courcelles 09:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't think there will be a problem with that. The idea was avoid a lot of blank space created by long TOC, but that was mostly for the more recent Games with many events. Parutakupiu (talk)
            • Yeah, I actually like to look of the standard TOC's and the whitespace, but it would be excessive on the lists closer to the present. Courcelles 16:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • In the lead photo caption, could we say somewhere that the event Albright won gold in was in figure skating? It looks weird just seeing "the American gold medallist in the ladies' singles event".
  • Sverre Stenersen: Comma needed after "the 1952 bronze medalist in Nordic combined". Also, why do we have "medalist" here and "medallist" elsewhere?
  • Note a: Don't think the hyphen is needed in "first-place".
  • Very minor, but ref 6 doesn't have a period after the pp; this is inconsistent with the other book cites. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything is taken care of. As to the "medalist vs. medallist" issue, blame my inability to keep various varieties of English straight. Courcelles 19:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "substantially identical " gah, either identical or not, it kind have partial identicalness...! Maybe just "similar"?
  • "medallist" vs "meters" I would have thought for USEng that should be medalist.
    • Bah, just easier to put it all in USEng, though I suck at remembering what is what these days Courcelles 03:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "ladies' singles" - is "singles" strictly necessary here since there isn't a "ladies' pairs" is there?
    • No, but women do compete in the pairs, and the ice dancing events, though there was not one of those in 1956. You almsot always write the gender and singles when referring to an event in figure skating, though. Courcelles 03:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "medaliist " now that is an innovative spelling...
  • Glass or Glaß?
  • When sorting by number of bronze medals, what is the sorting mechanism? I get two athletes with just two bronzes followed by one with two bronzes and a gold... confused.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Safari, again, I imagine. Usual hack, I made the 2 with a gold sort like a 3, which seems to make things work on that browser. Everything else was simple, but handled, so no individual comments. Courcelles 03:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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