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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:09, 31 August 2010 [1].

List of 1932 Winter Olympics medal winners edit

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Nominator(s):Geraldk, Courcelles 18:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This list was left a bit in the wind after Geraldk left Wikipedia last November. I've given it a copy-edit, added some references, and made a few fixes, but this is still 85% his work. Per standard convention, the winners of the demonstration sports are not included. I hope you enjoy this trip back to the olden days of the Winter Olympics as the summer's heat beats down on us in the Northern Hemisphere. Courcelles 18:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Except for those of us who just get rained upon.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC))[reply]
(I'll trade the 39 C and 80% humidity for some of your rain... Courcelles 18:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)) [reply]
Support - Can't find anything wrong with it at first glance. --Iuneof theEast 19:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • "252 athletes from 17 National Olympic Committees..." — Don't start a sentence with numbers.
    • Tweaked.
  • "Both men and women competed in these games Games, although the only medal events women contested were the ladies' singles and pairs in figure skating."
  • "A total of 87 individual athletes won medals." — Each athlete is an individual. Also, can you find a source for this?
    • I have a list of the medalists, that goes to 87. Cited
  • "... won the most medals during the games, winning 12 medals..." — Capitalize "games". Rephrase this to avoid the "won... winning..." repetition.
    • Reworded
  • "Athletes from Norway and Canada, won the second and third most medals..." — Remove comma.
    • Gone
  • "Only four other nations, Sweden, Finland, Austria, and Germany had athletes win medals..." — I'd separate the country enumeration from the sentence using either parentheses "(Sweden, Finland, Austria, and Germany)" or unspaced m-dashes "—Sweden, Finland, Austria, and Germany—". Also, win → winning.
    • Emdashes and reworded the last clause entirely
      • You left a space after the first em-dash, which I removed now. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Athletes from 10 of the 17 participating NOCs won at least won medal; 7 won at least one gold medal.":
    • Typo: won medal → one medal.
      • I'm going blind.
    • Spell out "7".
      • Actually, per MOS, this is fine, like to like within the same sentence doesn't change format, and can take either one.
    • You can use ref. 6 for this sentence too. I'd lose ref. 7 here (whose link is outdated, btw) because it does not point to the 1932 medal table; besides, it's already used as general reference.
      • Done. The results database is really only useful if you know how to use it. (We at WP:OLY need to WebCite these tables from VOCOG incase they go away; the IOC's went away in their last redesign)
        • Yes, we need. We have the medal tables at Sports-Reference, and also the Canadian Olympic Committee official site has them all, but it would be good to have a primary source secured for these cases. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You give a link to the ladies' single event only at the second instance in the last paragraph, when the first occurrence is in the second.
    • Moved.
  • "In the men's event Austrian..." — Add comma after "event".
    • Added
  • "three time" → three-time
    • Done
  • "... took home a gold in the four-man bobsleigh at Lake Placid." — This is not the event's first instance, it is mentioned first in the first paragraph, so you should link it there and not here.
    • Moved it up
  • Link the athletes names in the respective image captions.
    • Done
  • Just noticed this (should be changed for the other similar pages): the Statistics section only has one sub-section. Promote "Medal leaders" to main section as in List of 2010 Winter Olympics medal winners.
    • Done
  • In the general references, replace the "Results database" link with the appropriate link provided by {{IOC medals}}. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Never saw that template before. There's some other replacements I need to go make, then.
      • It is transcluded in several pages but it's not very known in fact. It was created after the IOC changed its website and the results database. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • All done except for the number issue. Courcelles 00:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 01:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Super uber-picky, do you have a ref for the IOC referring to this as the III Olympic Winter Games?
  • I would talk about the warm weather after you talk about the general number of events etc.
  • In fact, that should probably go into the bit where you talk about "only a few exceptions".

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All three handled. Thanks. Courcelles 20:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've had a good look and the only thing I can see is in the lead, "from February 4 through February 15, 1932", should that not be "through to February 15"? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 18:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It needed some alteration, you're right, but when you add the "to" the "through" becomes a surplus word. Courcelles 18:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 19:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since this and the medal table are very short lists, I would strongly suggest to merge the two. Nergaal (talk) 05:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the medal table is produced fully in 1932 Winter Olympics already. If we want to get rid of 1932 Winter Olympics medal table simply redirecting it back to its parent would seem more logical than duplicating the information from the main article on the Games here. (I agree the medal table needs to be merged, I just disagree that this is the proper target.) Courcelles 08:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of lists of winners that have at the end a "by country" table. For example List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winners is somewhat similar. Having something similar here should work well, even if the information is duplicated in the main article. Nergaal (talk) 23:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After some digging, it appears that merging the early/small medal tables is an idea that has been rather a battleground in the past. I've appended the table to this list, but redirecting/merging the actual medal table article is a battle I'd rather not start. Courcelles 23:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the German hockey team have less members? Also, do hockey coaches receive medals? Nergaal (talk) 23:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Coaches never receive medals. As to the German team, I wish I knew. Page 228 of the official report gives the number; 49 participants, and then lists them. 14 each for Canada and the U.S, 11 for 4th-place Poland, and 10 for Germany. The situation where team sports carried various size rosters isn't a terribly unusual situation in the early Olympics. Courcelles 23:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice to have a note explaining that "until 19xx when IOC decided to regulate the number of team members to 1x,[citation needed] the size of the teams varied". Also, one final question: has there been a discussion about having or not multiple sections with one-entry tables? Nergaal (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Except that even as recently as 2006, the gold and silver medal-winning teams had one fewer member than the bronze winners. It looks for all the world like Germany-who was represented by a club team- simply brought fewer people than they were allowed. Not terribly surprising given the difficulty in crossing the Atlantic in 1932. As to your question, are you suggesting that there shouldn't be separate headers for each sport? That would damage the usability of teh table, and require a fifth field, making a group of wide tables even wider. Courcelles 19:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know it would be a bit weird. But the one-entry-in-one-table-in-a-section is a bit reminiscent of the one-sentence paragraphs, which are frowned upon at FACs. In the future, try to find a solution to this. Nergaal (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as all the issues I had were solved. Nergaal (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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