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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:05, 7 September 2010 [1].

Lady Gaga discography edit

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Nominator(s): –Chase (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have structured it off several current FL-class discographies, including but not limited to: Madonna singles discography, Madonna albums discography, Taylor Swift discography, and Eminem discography. I believe that this is one of the finest pop discographies currently on Wikipedia and that this deserves to be a featured list. –Chase (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment—no dab links, but all external links to Vevo don't work for me; they say that Vevo is not available in my country. Ucucha 06:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, Vevo is generally not available for people outside of USA. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I would use MTV.com but UMG and Vevo have pulled artists such as Gaga's videos from the site. –Chase (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What about VEVO on YouTube? I can use those in Canada. Unless you aren't referring to videos.
Also, I remember helping work on some Lady Gaga articles during the entire debate about whether The Fame Monster was a new version of The Fame. Long time no see Legolas. =)
Oh yeah. Support. CycloneGU (talk) 03:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Vevo on YouTube doesn't list directors, unfortunately. –Chase (talk) 04:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Chase, I was thinking what about Interscope or LadyGaga.com? They list directors as well as the video it self. — Legolas (talk2me) 04:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Director info doesn't seem to be available for all the videos at Interscope.com and I'm not sure where videos can be found at LadyGaga.com. Links? –Chase (talk) 18:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues from Adabow (talk · contribs)
Comment Shouldn't "Chillin" be in a separate table from her solo singles? And if "Chillin" is here, why isn't "Video Phone"? Also what are the selected 10 charts decided by? One would think that they are the charts where an artist has had the most success. In the albums table(s), the Swedish Chart is chosen, but in New Zealand both studio albums and The Remix have charted higher [2]. Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus was gained that as "Video Phone" is a remix of a song that originally did not feature Gaga, it should not be a part of the discography except for the music video. And it seems silly to me to put one featured single in a different table. (Look at Madonna singles discography and Taylor Swift discography - current featured lists.) Per your request, I will replace the Swedish charts with the New Zealand ones. –Chase (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus also has to do with the fact that the remix was not released as the A-side of any single. –Chase (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification. There is still a bit of info missing, I feel. On the article for The Remix 23 charts are listed, but in the discography there are only 6. Also some singles only mention a few (sometimes only one) certifications, such as "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)", "Telephone" and "Alejandro", but on their articles there are plenty mentioned. Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:10, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not too sure about the alt text of the infobox image ("A blond woman..."); shouldn't it be "Lady Gaga..."? Take a look at the Blair and Bush example at WP:ALT#Examples. Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The ten territories selected are those where Gaga has performed the best overall, per the discography standard, and the certifications are summaries of how her albums/singles have done in some of the largest territories. Not every country and cert can be listed; we have wikilinks to the main articles - which provide all that info - for that. And I'd really hate to list other certs for lesser-certified singles such as "Eh, Eh" and not list those in others, as that would ruin the consistency.
Alt text has been changed. –Chase (talk) 03:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that alt text has not been part of the FL criteria for some time now. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I didn't realise this. Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support My issues have been clarified. The lack of access to VEVO links outside of US worries me a bit, but I guess that its not much different from offline sources. Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be a pain, but one more tiny thing: The Fame Monster was a re-release of The Fame in New Zealand, and they charted together. While the Hung Medien sources says that they are separate, I think that this is because of the international meta-linking up system they have. Anyway, the official chart by the RIANZ counted them as one and the same [3], and (apart from iTunes) I have not seen TFM sold separately over here. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done –Chase (talk) 14:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "To date, the album..." quantify "to date"
  • "reached the first or second position" awkward phrasing, perhaps "made it to the top two"? Just not keen on "first/second position".
  • Sales - World - can you clarify this includes the data that follows (i.e. sales in US, Canada, UK aren't treated separately)
  • May I ask what you mean by this? The sources used say that the albums sold those amounts worldwide, so I'm sure the world figures would include those of US, Canada, and the UK, if that's what you mean. However, The Remix's world figures do not include US sales as the figure listed was determined before it was released in America. –Chase (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just that in the table you have World sales, then US, Canada etc. Just think it should be made clear in the table that World sales include the subsequent US, Canada sales.. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pretty sure that the fact that it is worldwide sales implies that. I'm not sure how it can be more specific. –Chase (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments:
    • Exact release dates would be good to have in the lead
      • Like most albums, none of Gaga's were released simultaneously worldwide. Plus, it's a little too specific for the lead, IMO. –Chase (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I disagree. I think it's a useful piece of information and it only takes up an extra character or 2 tog give the exact release date for the first sountry it was released in (presumably the US?). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?
    • While the focus obviously is on the music, a sentence or two on Gaga and her music career would be nice to give the reader more than "an American dance-pop recording artist"
    • The facts in parentheses actually appear quite important; I suggest reworking the sentences to incorporate those facts into the prose
    • We're in September now; last sentences of first and second paragraphs needs updating
      • Changed to "to date" so it doesn't have to constantly be rewritten. –Chase (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • "To date" isn't very encyclopaedic imo, because it doesn't tell the reader what date and since articles constantly change, there's no way of telling (without doing research elsewhere) whether it was the 1st of August or yesterday or whenever. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?
          • Back to August 2010. In response to your original comment on this, it should not be changed to September since all of those figures were reported in August. –Chase (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Most countries worldwide"? "Most" is quite subjective, a number would be better. Remove either "most countries" or "worldwide", to use both is redundant redundancy
    • The prose gets a bit choppy and repetitive in the second paragraph
      • Whole lead has been rewritten - problems should be fixed, but let me know if you spot any more. –Chase (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Linking of works and publishers in references is inconsistent—as a rule of thumb, link 'em all or don't link any
      • WP:OVERLINK. After the first time a publication is cited, it should not be linked again. –Chase (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those Vevo links need to be changed or removed if only people in the US can access them—we cater for the whole world, not just the United States

Nothing major. A note on my talk page would be appreciated when these have been addressed or if you need clarification on anything. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm impressed with the rewrite of the lead and much happier with the prose quality now. I still think the inconsistent linking in the references looks untidy, but I won't oppose on that basis. Once the two niggling issues above are resolved, I expect I'll support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very happy with the prose quality. All my concerns have been addressed and I can't see anything else of concern. Excellent work. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TbhotchTalk C. 04:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]
*General
A redirect
It actually didn't redirect if you went to the link, but it's been fixed anyway as the information that cited that ref was linked to the wrong comments page. –Chase (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead
as Britney Spears and New Kids on the Block[3] prior to releasing -> as Britney Spears and New Kids on the Block,[3] prior to releasing ; comma, both are different topics.
Done. –Chase (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, on second thought, undone. The comma is redundant. –Chase (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the successful singles "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)" -> If we compare "Paparazzi" and "LoveGame", "Eh Eh" was not as successful as those singles.
I would consider top 20 in the territories it was released to successful. Nowhere is it said that the songs achieved the same amounts of success. –Chase (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • References
At first I would made a list of them, but all the references need publisher. TbhotchTalk C. 17:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No they don't, especially since the publisher field is already being used in many refs to list non-print works. –Chase (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes they need, Billboard, MTV Networks, Yahoo! Music, etc. need publisher, they don't publish by themselves. TbhotchTalk C. 01:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please see discussions that have gone on at Template talk:Cite web. It is now perfectly acceptable to use the publisher field as a replacement for the work field for non-print sources and therefore many refs in this list cannot have publishers such as MTV Networks. –Chase (talk) 03:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral to Weak oppose If you want to make a B+ article is up to you. The lead still needing tweaks, I'm not an English speaker, but some issues are obvious. I really don't want to discuss about the citations, but if you want to follow to other lazy users (do not take it as a personal attack, because it is not) that do not want to fill all the parameters of the citation web ({{cite web |url= |title= |first= |last= |author= |authorlink= |coauthors= |date= |month= |year= |work= |publisher= |location= |page= |pages= |at= |language= |trans_title= |format= |doi= |archiveurl= |archivedate= |accessdate= |quote= |ref= |separator= |postscript= }}) is not my problem. They exist and is for a reason, I've never passed/supported an article through GA, FA or FL, if the basic usage ({{cite web |url= |title= |first= |last= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate= }}) is not present, and of course, this won't be the only exception. TbhotchTalk C. 04:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]
    • I don't spot any obvious issues. It's rather rude and annoying if you say there are problems but don't provide suggestions for improvement... sorry, but no matter how you wish to put it, "lazy" is a disrespectful comment that was not necessary. Most A good amount of of the websites used here publish themselves, and as I have already said several times, the publisher field is already occupied in many refs (as a replacement for the work field for non-print sources). –Chase (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sigh... I'm probably just being difficult. Publishers have been added. Some had to be added as an addition to an already-occupied field so I'm not sure if those were done correctly. –Chase (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Austrian, Canadian, German, Irish, New Zealand, Swiss and British is an example, Austrian, Irish and Swiss are gentilics, New Zealand no, also why is the British at the end while the others are in alphabetical order?
          • Changed, is "many countries worldwide" better? –Chase (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
peaked at number two in the United States and topped -> would not be better list the "best" position first, just because she is American we not need to be remembered in each line.
Done. –Chase (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It does not follow our policy of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, we know that she is having her fame but lines like were international number one hits. They were followed by the successful singles, yes were well-received, but you cannot praise them when they are not "Poker Face" or "Bad Romance" TbhotchTalk C. 16:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How exactly is this not neutral? "Just Dance", "Poker Face", and "Bad Romance" were number one hits in many countries, hence they were international number ones. I'm just stating facts here, there's nothing POV about it. And again, nowhere is it said that the last singles from The Fame were as successful as "Poker Face" or "Bad Romance". It is simply said that they were successful, which is, again, a fact. –Chase (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good work. Gage (talk) 01:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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